thanks pinktwink, I am away to enjoy the sunny delights of Southport for a few hours, bet it is busy but my daughter is doing a charity bike ride from there to the village to raise funds for a Moriis Dancing Bus, so off to support them, if anyone sees a load of girls on bikes wearing daft gear and pink wigs it is them! about 20 of them i think! watch out if you are driving from Southport thru burscough don't knock them down!!!