Listener 4081 Double Cross by Radix

[serpentinew]

Listener 4081 Double Cross by Radix - Two for the price of one this week. Certainly lives up to its title!

[jacinth]

Got it again - try looking up your answers in Bradford's, the position of the rogue letter is revealed clearly and the clue makes good sense. For a long while I thought the rogue letter acted elsewhere. Hope that helps!

[Cruncher]

Scorpius - the rogue letter needs to be added to give the definition which is anagrammed from earlier in the clue

[uncletony]

Isn't it easy to get paranoid doing the Listener? Any hesitating solvers should take comfort from the fact that the spelled out message is referred to as a note of caution. It doesn't say that it's an instruction and it doesn't have to be read as one.

But why have it at all? If you're asking, it's because you've been too clever. A lesser solver might assume that only one set of clues led to a gridfill.

[Scorpius]

Thanks for the hint, Cruncher, though I wasn't actually looking for hints, merely making an observation on a clue that appeared to have given nobody else trouble. I made sure I solved the clue completely before coming back here. I understood the clue's cryptic structure, but my error had been to identify the rogue letter in the wrong place.

[Clamzy]

'Long' mile cJ - I like it:-) Agree with all you say and I was 4 wrong out of 51 submitted last year.
The 'typo king'.

[Cruncher]

49 out of 52 for me. All stupid mistakes. Already out of the running this year. Forgot to highlight Mr Galileo/i earlier this year. Doh....

[JackDeCrow]

2 mistakes for me - one of them. it turns out, in the very first one of the year! But even after that, I'm still with CluelessJoe on not checking last every entry. Life is definitely too short!

[7lattens]

Hopefully I haven't double crossed myself but it appears to me that I need not complete my second grid - is anybody else struggling with 25D xx

[daagg]

7lattens, the unwanted (by my judgement) one of those was my last one. Eventually, I convinced myself that I was happy with the answer. Do you have 31ac - that's pretty obscure?

[Cruncher]

25d works ok if you scan through Chambers carefully. I flagged 31ac earlier. The more familiar, and more widely accepted spelling, has a different final letter. The grid uses a French spelling

[shelouse]

It seems to me that the question over which grid to submit is solved be remembering that the highlighting is defined in the preamble as an 'instruction'. Then when you look at the two grids, you have a clear choice, despite what must be written under the submitted grid.

[Rhone]

My hesitation in putting this one in the letterbox is I have completed the correct grid but am stuck on the checked cell which lies at 31ac and 27dn in the incorrect grid, because I have not succeeded on either of these 2 clues. 2 letters for the checked cell seem possible, well maybe. Will just have to crack one of those clues I guess!

[Ruthrobin]

Rhone, just take the first two words of 27d and think about the context in which you encounter such a thing. It was the very last clue I solved and I kicked myself - it's so obvious - that's all we are allowed to reveal :)

[Rhone]

Thanks ruthrobin, obvious indeed when you see it. In this case my wife saw it. Envelope now in post.

[Mr Crossy]

Well I finished the grids only yesterday, and I too am in a quandary about which one to submit. I'm inclined to take the more straightforward option, but a niggle will remain till I see the published solution. Does anyone remember "Cretan Bull" (roughly 20 years ago, when I was taking my first timid peeps at the L)? It was a blank grid, I think, and the instructions said that bars need not be supplied. But the solution said that, because the puzzle was all "bull", it was a lie, and bars were required after all. This one, especially given the title, put me in mind of that, and I can only hope that Radix is not quite so duplicitous! A bit of a slog to start with, this one, but great fun in the end.