Listener 4109 Not a Black and White Decision

[AndrewG-S]

Grid complete except for one cell and 18 clashes identified, but stuck at the moment as to what to do next. Enjoyable so far

[Zabadak]

Just short of that at the moment, but I keep thinking it looks like a heffalump trap...

[Ruthrobin]

Yes, I am in almost the same position, with a complete grid and one pdm. already but 20 clashes - going to have to rethink!

[Ruthrobin]

Ah! 18 - this is tremendous fun.

[Zabadak]

Yeah, I can get 18 (and I think in only one way) and I understand the ambiguity bit, plus (perhaps) how to resolve it (same PDM, RR?). Don't get the colour thing yet. I'll try printing out another grid!

[AndrewG-S]

There can be only one way to get to the 18 which fits with the preamble - nice PDM there I thought

[Ruthrobin]

Finished! How nicely it all came together and what ingenious compiling!

[dr b]

I have all the clue answers, so if I understand the preamble what remains strikes me as more "tedious" than "fun", but that will have to wait until tomorrow. Dinner and the theater await! Oedipus Rex, which I understand is a comedy par excellence, rivaled perhaps only by that thigh-slapper, Antigone. Perhaps I will be disabused of this notion by tomorrow as well.

[AndrewG-S]

dr b, enjoy the theatre and dinner! I have the answer but this has thrown up two more problems .... further thinking needed

[turast]

Where is it on an imaginary "doozy" scale of 1-10, if "European Revolutions" was a 9?

[midazolam]

There is in fact 2 ways of making the 18 clashes, but the choosing part rules one out. I thought it was this fact that made it a clever construction.

All works out in the end, despite having printed off 2 working grids, both of which look a mess. It has been a long time since I have had to print off 3 grids, just so I dont confuse myself further. Interesting debut, Brock

[AndrewG-S]

Ah there we go all sorted now, enjoyed this a few good twists

[aldana]

It is half term. I have visitors including two small children and a dog. My chances of completing the Listener this weekend seem minimal.

[JackDeCrow]

Mmm...yes, think I enjoyed that one. Certainly very clever, although I still have this nagging feeling that I rather stumbled across the right solution rather than proving to myself it was the only one. Still, shouldn't complain!

[dr b]

Well-constructed puzzle, yadda, yadda, yadda, but I'm still going to stick with "tedious" for the end game.

[contendo]

My clashes are on non-consecutive lines. Will all be revealed if I plod on?

[trux]

Grid complete, ambiguity resolved (pretty surely), far too few clashes (six only) so must read pre-ramble more carefully, I suppose .... back to C4 racing for the moment, though

[trux]

Have worked out how to get more clashes, obviously ... (it is amazing how typing an AB thread makes the brain work better !)

[starwalker]

A later start this week. Eventually got my 18 clashes having originally only found 6, which led to the PDM. Think I'm with dr b on this one about the endgame and I'm never happy about a set of rules that need an exception. Sorry Brock.

[flocker]

a nearly complete grid (one of the 14s is resisting) but isn't the preamble a bit vague: "the corresponding down one on the right, or vice versa" - corresponding to what, where? That wall again....

[bobbycollins]

I'm in duffers corner again....full grid and ten clashes....