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As Soon As Our Troops Withdraw From Afghanistan,,,
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Everything will revert to the way is was, what a waste of time. Ok so Bin Laden was the target and he was eliminate, the Taliban are still ever present now there are talks of re-introducing stoning for adultery.. I find it sickening.
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Eerm, yes tonyav. Now I've looked back at my post I didn't mean that he would be in a position to be stoned or anything, he is a clean living lad (and married with a dog) lol. But the thought that they are considering these things to me means the rise of their old practices and to hell with the troops who are left there.
I have been saying on AB and elsewhere for ages that the Afghanistan expedition organised by the previous administration and perpetuated by the current one was a flawed idea. The British electorate was never given a proper explanation as to why our troops were sent there, what it was hoped they would achieve and, most importantly, how it would be demonstrated that our objectives had been attained so that we could leave.
We have heard nebulous objectives such as “to protect the safety of Britons” (quite how that was to be achieved was not explained); “to facilitate the war on terror” (ditto) through to “ensuring Afghan girls can receive an education” (and why that justifies exposing UK troops to death and dismemberment, again, has not been explained).
As already said, the hell-hole will revert to its normal state (if it ever improved from it) as soon as foreign troops withdraw. The losses suffered by our troops in pursuit of this folly are scandalous. The best way our troops can be employed is to police the UK borders and prevent undesirable aliens from setting foot here.
Now had they been deployed in Pakistan (from where the majority of the terrorist threat to the UK emanates) they may have done some good. But we couldn’t have that could we? After all, Pakistan is among our allies.
We have heard nebulous objectives such as “to protect the safety of Britons” (quite how that was to be achieved was not explained); “to facilitate the war on terror” (ditto) through to “ensuring Afghan girls can receive an education” (and why that justifies exposing UK troops to death and dismemberment, again, has not been explained).
As already said, the hell-hole will revert to its normal state (if it ever improved from it) as soon as foreign troops withdraw. The losses suffered by our troops in pursuit of this folly are scandalous. The best way our troops can be employed is to police the UK borders and prevent undesirable aliens from setting foot here.
Now had they been deployed in Pakistan (from where the majority of the terrorist threat to the UK emanates) they may have done some good. But we couldn’t have that could we? After all, Pakistan is among our allies.
There are a lot of dodgy memories.
This happened on the eback of 9/11 and there was an incredile blood lust for revenge in the world - I'm willing to bet a lot of you were parties to that!
SOmething 'had' to be done - nobody wanted to talk about anything other than armed force.
The initial purpose focussed on Al Qaeda training camps and the search for Bin Laden - remember the Tora Bora cave complexes?
The original Taliban government was replaced with a puppet - you could hardly leave them in place then it was a case of having to keep them in power.
Classic mission creep! Where did you want to disagree - not go in in the first place? leave al Qaeda in there?
The problem is we are an invading army
We're not wanted there - there is no mandate from the people of Afghanistan and nobody seems to really care what they want.
There should have been some sort of election earlier and when that was clear we should have withdrawn - but politically that would have looked like failure especially with Bin Laden running around making the armed forces look like a bunch of clowns
This happened on the eback of 9/11 and there was an incredile blood lust for revenge in the world - I'm willing to bet a lot of you were parties to that!
SOmething 'had' to be done - nobody wanted to talk about anything other than armed force.
The initial purpose focussed on Al Qaeda training camps and the search for Bin Laden - remember the Tora Bora cave complexes?
The original Taliban government was replaced with a puppet - you could hardly leave them in place then it was a case of having to keep them in power.
Classic mission creep! Where did you want to disagree - not go in in the first place? leave al Qaeda in there?
The problem is we are an invading army
We're not wanted there - there is no mandate from the people of Afghanistan and nobody seems to really care what they want.
There should have been some sort of election earlier and when that was clear we should have withdrawn - but politically that would have looked like failure especially with Bin Laden running around making the armed forces look like a bunch of clowns
Not sure the last 12 years has been a wonderful period of human rights in Afghanistan. People are being killed now for adultery, it never went away even when the Taleban were ousted. Bin Laden and most of the taleban scarpered from Afghanistan 11 years ago. OSB was eventually assasinated in Pakistan. It is difficult to find any positives from the last decade in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Exactly why we should reduce our forces to a number required only to defend our shores. In future we shoukld stay out of this sort of thing. Every venture has ended (well not ended really) in tears and a protracted problem.
The real issue is that when a dictator is deposed a huge vacuum is created and all the other tyrannous leaders will try to fill it creating the bloodbaths and unrest we see.
Add to the mix a population stuck in 15Century religion and we see the results we have today.
The real issue is that when a dictator is deposed a huge vacuum is created and all the other tyrannous leaders will try to fill it creating the bloodbaths and unrest we see.
Add to the mix a population stuck in 15Century religion and we see the results we have today.
Gromit - "It was the War on Terror.
Terror and Terrorism are still with us, more so. The mission failed."
The phrase 'War on Terror' was, is, and will always be - a meaningless soundbite which sounds gung ho and very like Bush likes to see himself.
Terror is an abstract concept, you can't fight against it, you might as well have a War On Atmosphere, but that would be silly wouldn't it? Exactly.
By definitiion, terrorism, and that is what the illiterate ex-president meant, is something it is impossible to 'win' against, however attractive that sounds - and of course it is still with us, and always will be as long as the West proclaims itself the world's police force and attempts to force the utterly alien concept of democracy on a country which is still living in the twelth century.
Of course the Afghanistan mission failed - how could it ever succeed?
There was never any real solid reason for invasion - curtailing poppy production was once bandied about - what ever happened to that, apart from the fact that poppy exports are bigger now than ever!
More importantly, in the rush to 'go in. no proper thought was ever given to how we would 'come out' again - and now we see the Taliban, waiting as they always have over the centuries, for the latest invading force to run out of steam, support, and bodies, and leave.
The Taliban only have to wait, and watch history repeat itself.
The West has to go home, the Taliban already are home.
Terror and Terrorism are still with us, more so. The mission failed."
The phrase 'War on Terror' was, is, and will always be - a meaningless soundbite which sounds gung ho and very like Bush likes to see himself.
Terror is an abstract concept, you can't fight against it, you might as well have a War On Atmosphere, but that would be silly wouldn't it? Exactly.
By definitiion, terrorism, and that is what the illiterate ex-president meant, is something it is impossible to 'win' against, however attractive that sounds - and of course it is still with us, and always will be as long as the West proclaims itself the world's police force and attempts to force the utterly alien concept of democracy on a country which is still living in the twelth century.
Of course the Afghanistan mission failed - how could it ever succeed?
There was never any real solid reason for invasion - curtailing poppy production was once bandied about - what ever happened to that, apart from the fact that poppy exports are bigger now than ever!
More importantly, in the rush to 'go in. no proper thought was ever given to how we would 'come out' again - and now we see the Taliban, waiting as they always have over the centuries, for the latest invading force to run out of steam, support, and bodies, and leave.
The Taliban only have to wait, and watch history repeat itself.
The West has to go home, the Taliban already are home.
Says it all baz,
America singularly failed to learn from Viet Nam, and heaven knows, the signs were there -
if you take a massive mechaised army of conscripts who don;t want to be there into a foreign terrain populated by people who only wish to have politial and social independence and will willingly die for it, you are going to lose.
Now if i can see that, sitting at my PC here in England, why can't Tony Blair / David Cameron see it as well? It's really not complicated is it?
America singularly failed to learn from Viet Nam, and heaven knows, the signs were there -
if you take a massive mechaised army of conscripts who don;t want to be there into a foreign terrain populated by people who only wish to have politial and social independence and will willingly die for it, you are going to lose.
Now if i can see that, sitting at my PC here in England, why can't Tony Blair / David Cameron see it as well? It's really not complicated is it?
read The Pentagon Papers by Daniel Ellsberg that will give you an insight into how these people "think"
from the book
Pentagon position in the press to the american public was that they were reducing the bombings over Cambodia....in actual fact they were raising the bombing to unprecedented levels
thats how they "think" ...they lie, they live the lie, they lie so much they end up beliving those lies to be the truth
from the book
Pentagon position in the press to the american public was that they were reducing the bombings over Cambodia....in actual fact they were raising the bombing to unprecedented levels
thats how they "think" ...they lie, they live the lie, they lie so much they end up beliving those lies to be the truth
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