Is The Manchester Bomber A Martyr Or A Murderer?

[Khandro]

It seems it depends on your point of view;
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2017/manchester-bomber-martyr-murderer

[Old_Geezer]

Can't he be both ? One to his mental mates, another to the civilised world.

[Old_Geezer]

In the light of the article it is an interesting question when looking for an official answer from those claiming to be in a position to make one.

Being pragmatic, it may be a way forward, but under ideal circumstances they ought to stop expecting virgins, presumably willing ones anyway. Besides who in their right mind is going to blow themselves up for a bit of heavenly sex ? Maybe dodging Hell is the greater incentive, so it's weird they think a heinous act will achieve that.

[agchristie]

I've heard him called lots of things and none of them complimentary.

The least offensive term probably being a 'monster'.

As OG says, he will be viewed as both.

[youngmafbog]

Neither, he was just pure scum.

[anotheoldgit]

How can he be classed a martyr for Muslim causes, by killing innocent people mainly youngsters? As in other such terrorist actions some of the victims could be fellow Muslims.

[Mamyalynne]

Murderer.

[Barsel]

Exactly AOG, I thought that myself, that there could be young Muslims at the M/C Arena, but I was told it didn't matter, because they are targeting young girls who dress and act provocatively as their religion forbids it. Don't know if there is any truth to that.

[youngmafbog]

Murder does not describe adequately what this evil git and his religious beliefs did.

[mikey4444]

Of course he isn't a Martyr ymb....did you really think that anyone on here would say that he is !

[Barsel]

Mikey ^^^ only the brave would say that. :-)

[Barsel]

Or we could use Donald Trumps name for them....Loser.

[mikey4444]

Barsel....I realise that ymb didn't mean the question literally !

[Barsel]

Mikey I think you may have misunderstood me. I meant only the brave would call this piece of you know what, a Martyr.

[Bazile]

Well , it all depends to whom the question is asked , doesn't it ?

[mikey4444]

OK Barsel...sometimes its difficult to gauge exactly what people mean on here !

[vetuste_ennemi]

I owe the Schiller quote to a recent article by Mark Steyn.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Apologies, everyone. Posted on wrong thread.

[Peter Pedant]

martyr or baby killer
difficult choice that one - typical of the moral dilemmas on AB

[Khandro]

I think Murray is saying, unless we begin to consider that - as unbelievable as it seems to us some people believe he is a martyr, we may not come to terms with understanding the mentality of these people and thereby addressing the enormous problem Western civilization is facing.

[Baldric]

///.I realise that ymb didn't mean the question literally///

ymb hasn't asked a question on here.