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hi teacher1 and emeritus - will go for your S & G's - i tried ages and just couldn't see smash and grab - BRILL
the pastimes one is same as i came up with so will settle for that and Oldred, that's better than anything i could come up with so will go with that - thanks to all three of you (might sleep tonight) Merry Christmas to you and all other ABers - phizzy