Coronavirus And Animals

[nailit]

Can animals be affected by, or pass on to humans the coronavirus?
Thanks.

[woofgang]

dogs definitely no.

[Theland]

Good question.

[Mamyalynne]

Reports are changing all the time.

This from 3 days ago.

https://qz.com/1818227/the-who-says-that-dogs-cats-and-other-pets-can-get-coronavirus/

[Theland]

Wet markets in China, bats, pangolins, none humans, I think.

[woofgang]

sorry, the definitely no has been downgraded to no evidence. One dog in ?korea tested weakly positive for covid19 but showed no symptoms. In every case where pet to human transmission has been investigated, there has ALWAYS been a huma to human contact found. NHS says usual precautions, loads of handwashing and so on and if you have actually got COVID or think you have then it may be sensible to get someone else to care for your pets...but that's on a general precautions basis.

[Theland]

In my younger days I was a bit of an animal :-)

[woofgang]

here's what the WHO says. which is pretty much what I precis'd
no evidence and only one symptomless dog ever found. What do we know about COVID-19 virus and companion animals?
The current spread of COVID-19 is a result of human to human transmission. To date, there is no evidence that companion animals can spread the disease. Therefore, there is no justification in taking measures against companion animals which may compromise their welfare.

The Veterinary Services of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People’s Republic of China reported to OIE evidence that a dog had tested positive to the COVID-19 virus following close exposure to its owners who were sick with COVID-19 – see Immediate Notification (01/03/2020) and Follow-up report no.1 (09/03/2020). The test, conducted by real time PCR, showed the presence of genetic material from the COVID-19 virus. The dog was not showing any clinical signs of the disease.

There is no evidence that dogs play a role in the spread of this human disease or that they become sick. Further studies are needed to understand if and how different animals could be affected by COVID-19 virus. The OIE will continue to provide updates as new information becomes available.

There is no evidence to support restrictions to movement or trade of companion animals.

What precautionary measures should be taken by owners when companion or other animals have close contact with humans sick or suspected with COVID-19?
There have not been any reports of companion or other animals becoming sick with COVID-19 and currently there is no evidence that they play a significant epidemiological role in this human disease. However, because animals and people can sometimes share diseases (known as zoonotic diseases), it is still recommended that people who are sick with COVID-19 limit contact with companion and other animals until more information is known about the virus.

When handling and caring for animals, basic hygiene measures should always be implemented. This includes hand washing before and after being around or handling animals, their food, or supplies, as well as avoiding kissing, licking or sharing food.

When possible, people who are sick or under medical attention for COVID-19 should avoid close contact with their pets and have another member of their household care for their animals. If they must look after their pet, they should maintain good hygiene practices and wear a face mask if possible.

[woofgang]

note they found genetic COVID material and not antibodies.

[ChillDoubt]

I recall a former colleague who was infected and re-infected with MRSA on a regular basis.
It subsequently transpired that his dog had been the cause of the persistent re-infections.

[Peter Pedant]

yes deffo
the uvver fred ( sozza AB speak creep) which has Beales article from the London Review of Books (!) is quite good

Main;y present in animals - jumping species, is not a usual mechanism - money ran out in the seventies. If it is not human you dont get the cash [to study it]

besides Beales article - see elsewhere
this is quite a good technical article
I make no apology for technical stuff
You wake up and AB is wall-to-wall corona only 100% total crap like
1.foo corona!that means you get 6d back on the bottle
2. coronavirus - datta long word - duz anyone fall sleep whist they say it it is so long
3. why isnt coronavirus called plague germ - that would be simpler
4, I have thought deeply about this and I fink coronavirus is like MMR which evryone knows doesnt work


https://www.drugtargetreview.com/news/56798/mechanism-of-action-revealed-for-remdesivir-potential-coronavirus-drug/

[Theland]

Was he chasing his tail then?

[Peter Pedant]

do other animals spread covid?

we know the answer to that. All the planes with tourists who travelled feverish and infected and gave it to their destination cities
were filled with human and not cats dogs and bunny rabbits wiv luvly floppy ears

[Peter Pedant]

// I recall a colleague ......... persistent re-infections.//

intersting but actually completely irrelevant

bacterium and present on the dogs fur

I was told by my dear brother: if you allow the dog to go anywhere near your hemicolectomy scar you will get a dog infection and then you will DIIIIIEEEE!"

Pasteurella Multocida is the culprit and no one survives a systemic infection apparently

er also no connection to covid
but what the hell

[ChillDoubt]

Make all the stupid jokes in that erratic, supposedly ‘funny’ manner of posting you want, PP.

My thoughts are with the first patient in Wales to die of the virus this morning, at the hospital where I work.

[Peter Pedant]

// but very comprehensive for anyone interested.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v42/n06/rupert-beale/short-cuts//

here is beale s article

I regret to report that C-virus
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4369385/
is a single strand RNA virus which requires a cell to replicate and has absolutely NOTHING to do with a bacterium which um doesnt

there are no lessons in the comparison

sorry to hear of the death of the man in wales

[Peter Pedant]

is this the thread where I mention and deplore wall to wall corona garbage ?

life imitating art again

[anneasquith]

My recurrent MRSA infections were via hospitals :-(

[nailit]

Thanks for replies and links :-)

[jno]

don't they think it came from animals in the first place? Lots of diseases do (cowpox, plague, malaria, Aids, anthrax and the rest)