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why don't eggs from the fridge hatch?
may seem a silly question but my young daughter wants to know why it is that eggs from the fridge don't hatch in to chickens.
she thinks that it can't be the cold alone that stops this happening as the eggs in shops are not sold from fridges.
she thinks that it can't be the cold alone that stops this happening as the eggs in shops are not sold from fridges.
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rojash: (continued)
If this need for elaboration has come across to you as agitatation from gumboil, I really don't think that that was the intention. Frustration may be a more appropriate word and I think he/she may well have been justified under the circumstances.
While I do appreciate the nature and purpose of AB, one cannot deny that gumboil has requested follow-up information in this thread which others have chosen not to reply to. Furthermore, gumboil was provided with "answer" to a "question" that he/she never asked.
I don't know about him/her , but all in all, I would be more than a little agitated myself if this happened to me. Surely you can see that too.
If this need for elaboration has come across to you as agitatation from gumboil, I really don't think that that was the intention. Frustration may be a more appropriate word and I think he/she may well have been justified under the circumstances.
While I do appreciate the nature and purpose of AB, one cannot deny that gumboil has requested follow-up information in this thread which others have chosen not to reply to. Furthermore, gumboil was provided with "answer" to a "question" that he/she never asked.
I don't know about him/her , but all in all, I would be more than a little agitated myself if this happened to me. Surely you can see that too.
rojash: (continued)
If this need for elaboration has come across to you as agitatation from gumboil, I really don't think that that was the intention. Frustration may be a more appropriate word and I think he/she may well have been justified under the circumstances.
While I do appreciate the nature and purpose of AB, one cannot deny that gumboil has requested follow-up information in this thread which others have chosen not to reply to. Furthermore, gumboil was provided with "answer" to a "question" that he/she never asked.
I don't know about him/her , but all in all, I would be more than a little agitated myself if this happened to me. Surely you can see that too.
If this need for elaboration has come across to you as agitatation from gumboil, I really don't think that that was the intention. Frustration may be a more appropriate word and I think he/she may well have been justified under the circumstances.
While I do appreciate the nature and purpose of AB, one cannot deny that gumboil has requested follow-up information in this thread which others have chosen not to reply to. Furthermore, gumboil was provided with "answer" to a "question" that he/she never asked.
I don't know about him/her , but all in all, I would be more than a little agitated myself if this happened to me. Surely you can see that too.
This is getting silly � if I you request more information gumboil / bookend I will try to give it, however in this case I can�t see what further information you feel you require but if you think something has not already been explained please make it apparent / clear and I will try my hardest to explain it to you.
You seem most interested in your 20.52 post � in order to explain this clearly I will offer a recap on what has been said all in one place to make it easier to follow;
19.29 � Gumboil - bobclean says that the eggs will not hatch if they have not been fertilised.
heathfield says they will not hatch if they are not incubated for the correct length of time at the correct temperature.
Are you telling me that the eggs I buy in the supermarket may well have been fertilised but will not hatch because they have been kept cold?
19.48 � Undercovers - no that is not what is being said - the eggs you buy come from female chickens that never meet a male chicken, thus they never have the ability to have children ... if however a bird does mate and then reproduce, the egg must be kept warm for the offspring to develop inside.
20. 52 � Gumboil � [recaps information already provided] � Isn't this in agreement with what I said in my last post?
As you can see when comparing your 19.29 post and my 19.48 post you should now be able to see that they are not in agreement e.g. you say that the eggs from the supermarket may have been fertilised but then kept too cold to develop, whereas I say that eggs produced for the supermarket are never ever fertilised and thus the issue of their temperature has no bearing on their ability to develop e.g. development is impossible due lack of fertilisation.
Hope this has finally cleared the matter up for you
As always all the best - undercovers
Please be assured that I am not here under an alias. I am bookend and not gumboil. Believing me is your choice.
I looked at the posts on this thread before I joined in quite impartially and without bias. It may be that I am the only person who can see the way gumboil has looked at this. In any event, I like supporting the little guy (or miss?).
Let's look at your post. You say that "eggs produced for the supermarket are never ever fertilised" but you also say that "if however a bird does mate and then reproduce, the egg must be kept warm for the offspring to develop inside".
So it seems that it is at least feasible that the reason a random egg does not hatch could be attributed to:
1) The fact that it has not been fertilised, and
2) the fact that it has not been kept warm.
This is logic, pure and simple, based on your statements in your last post and not on any contribution from gumboil or myself..
It follows that it is also feasible that a fertilised egg fails to hatch because of the absence of warmth which is what other posters have confirmed. You have also confirmed it in your last post.
I fully realise that intentional fertilisation of supermarket eggs is not to be desired, but you appear to concede that it can occur, albeit rarely and/or accidentally. Perhaps this is the reason why we hear about the odd supermarket egg that has been found to have an embryo within it. Where was the source of incubation heat then? When you factor in that according to your statement, these eggs are never fertilised, this is a remarkable and rare occurence indeed.
Rare occurences these may be but they are not impossible and to use the word "never" is therefore inappropriate.
I looked at the posts on this thread before I joined in quite impartially and without bias. It may be that I am the only person who can see the way gumboil has looked at this. In any event, I like supporting the little guy (or miss?).
Let's look at your post. You say that "eggs produced for the supermarket are never ever fertilised" but you also say that "if however a bird does mate and then reproduce, the egg must be kept warm for the offspring to develop inside".
So it seems that it is at least feasible that the reason a random egg does not hatch could be attributed to:
1) The fact that it has not been fertilised, and
2) the fact that it has not been kept warm.
This is logic, pure and simple, based on your statements in your last post and not on any contribution from gumboil or myself..
It follows that it is also feasible that a fertilised egg fails to hatch because of the absence of warmth which is what other posters have confirmed. You have also confirmed it in your last post.
I fully realise that intentional fertilisation of supermarket eggs is not to be desired, but you appear to concede that it can occur, albeit rarely and/or accidentally. Perhaps this is the reason why we hear about the odd supermarket egg that has been found to have an embryo within it. Where was the source of incubation heat then? When you factor in that according to your statement, these eggs are never fertilised, this is a remarkable and rare occurence indeed.
Rare occurences these may be but they are not impossible and to use the word "never" is therefore inappropriate.
this thread is fantastic - ok ok scrub the word impossible from the dictionary, nothing is impossible merely very very improbable... i shall again try and clarify the situation of why supermarket eggs do not hatch (i am fighting back the giggles while trying to do this though so please forgive me the odd spelling error)... right where was i ...
oops early submit sorry...
the eggs you get from the supermarket are hardly ever fertilised, when i say hardly ever, i mean more like never, almost never, the chances of them being fertilised are so remote that its almost not worth considering the possibility - but if you were inclined to consider the possibility of and worked it out with a pen and paper or even a calculator you would upon discovering exactly how remote the possibility was be forced to exclaim aloud "oooooo isn't that an utterly utterly remote possibility, well i never"... so for all intents and purposes you would be forgiven in saying that it is almost impossible that an egg you buy in the supermarket will ever have been fertilised (almost forgiven but not completely forgiven it would seem).
However if that highly improbable situation was to occur and some roaming cockerel somehow managed to break into the egg producing hen farm and have his wicked way with the hens there in - then as improbable as it is the eggs could indeed be fertilised � if this massively improbable chain of events occurred the eggs would need to be kept warm for development to occur, as this is an egg producing farm the eggs would be taken away and sold to the supermarket (obviously this is presuming that the improbable cockerel that broken in also slipped away in the night and managed not to be see by any of the farm workers � again this is quite improbable� as if he was caught presumably the eggs would be destroyed), if this occurred then it is possible that a fertilised egg could end up on a supermarket shelf (but its just really really massively unlikely).
hope this helps all the best undercovers
Glad to see your enjoying the thread undercovers. Personally, its been the highlight of this otherwise miserable weekend! Gumboil, you don't know what you're missing.
I'm sitting here in stitches laughing at your acount of the covert events in henhouses up and down the country. I never knew life was so exciting!
I'm glad to see that you now can confirm that fertilised eggs could reach the supermarket shelves, which is what I understood from the earlier posts all along. I can accept that it is highly improbable all the same. Rest assured I've forgiven you already.
It looks to me like gumboil has some sifting to do of all the information on this thread to provide his daughter with a cast-iron answer. The supplementary information has been outstanding. I'm sure he/she will find it most enjoyable and useful.
I'm sitting here in stitches laughing at your acount of the covert events in henhouses up and down the country. I never knew life was so exciting!
I'm glad to see that you now can confirm that fertilised eggs could reach the supermarket shelves, which is what I understood from the earlier posts all along. I can accept that it is highly improbable all the same. Rest assured I've forgiven you already.
It looks to me like gumboil has some sifting to do of all the information on this thread to provide his daughter with a cast-iron answer. The supplementary information has been outstanding. I'm sure he/she will find it most enjoyable and useful.
Well haven't we all been having fun while I've been away over the weekend.
If I'd known this was going to happen, I'd have stayed at home rather than wasting my time walking along a rainswept pier and getting drenched in to the bargain.
bookend, I owe you a debt of gratitude for standing up for the cause in my absence - you were a lone voice in the wilderness. I'm very grateful.
Why some posters could not look at matters from another point of view will remain a mystery to me as will the presence of what seems to be more than a little prevaricating. After all, undercovers did finally admit that what bookend was getting at was not an impossible ocurrence despite it being improbable.
Thank you all for your contributions. It looks like bookend has taken all the humour, cynicism, impatience and exasperation in his/her stride and no offence has been taken - A true ABer indeed. On a personal note, I haven't been offended either.
I musn't forget to add that thanks to all your replies, I've got a reasonably good idea now of what to tell my daughter when I get home tonight. Thanks again.
If I'd known this was going to happen, I'd have stayed at home rather than wasting my time walking along a rainswept pier and getting drenched in to the bargain.
bookend, I owe you a debt of gratitude for standing up for the cause in my absence - you were a lone voice in the wilderness. I'm very grateful.
Why some posters could not look at matters from another point of view will remain a mystery to me as will the presence of what seems to be more than a little prevaricating. After all, undercovers did finally admit that what bookend was getting at was not an impossible ocurrence despite it being improbable.
Thank you all for your contributions. It looks like bookend has taken all the humour, cynicism, impatience and exasperation in his/her stride and no offence has been taken - A true ABer indeed. On a personal note, I haven't been offended either.
I musn't forget to add that thanks to all your replies, I've got a reasonably good idea now of what to tell my daughter when I get home tonight. Thanks again.
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From what undercovers has said here, it looks like there has got to be unintentionally fertilised free-range eggs in various places around the country.
They may be very rare but they are out there somewhere.
That roaming cockerel that undercovers spoke of at 18.38 last night, must be having a whale of a time with free-range birds. I wonder if he's got an appointment book?
From what undercovers has said here, it looks like there has got to be unintentionally fertilised free-range eggs in various places around the country.
They may be very rare but they are out there somewhere.
That roaming cockerel that undercovers spoke of at 18.38 last night, must be having a whale of a time with free-range birds. I wonder if he's got an appointment book?
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