ghosts

[dan no1]

i hope i'm in the right catagory for this question!

i would like to know what the physical explanation of a ghost is.  i've been watching most haunted on living tv and i'm keen to know how we can see these ghosts and how they can touch and move objects.  if they can 'walk through walls', then that would make them non-corporeal but if they can touch things, then wouldn't that make them corporeal?? i'm confused!

[NetSquirrel]

Your confusion arises because you are an intelligent person and as such you have seen through the obvious fraud that is "Most Haunted".  Ghosts are like the Loch Ness monster, gremlins, fairies, the yeti and magical elfs.  Many young children believe in these creatures, but as they grow up and gain experience and common sense, it becomes obvious (to most) that these were just fanciful stories.



I haven't seen more than a few minutes of "Most Haunted" but I can assure you that it's not genuine.  You will notice that the quality of acting is poor by those who are in on the joke, and no ghosts are actually caught on film.  The closest things you will see to a ghost - ever - are perhaps a whisp of mist that looks like a figure, photographic anomalies, unusual shadows, cold draughts and the occasional falling object that makes you jump.  To the impressionable mind, this is more than enough to conjure up images of malicious spirits stalking the hallways, or some such thing.  "Seeing" a ghost and thinking that it was real is like seeing a face in a cloud and trying to have a conversation with it.

[Ray The Grey]

The theory about ghosts is that they cannot touch anything, although they can appear and make noises. Items moving are supposedly down to poltergeist which are down to energy from people in emotional circumstances  - supposedly. It is all really a lot of nonsense as far as I can see and a lot of the old proofs have been debunked - the recent programme with the guy who pretended to point a real gun at his head showed this very well.

[dog&duck]

lalala i kinda have to agree with squirrel... theyr not real.

when i was growing up and was lickle i REALLY believed in ghosts and couldnt agree more with anything anybody said, but now im 14 * yes omg how grown up am i? * i realise what a huge scam most haunted is. you all have to admit, ghosts etc can make bloody good tv/films!!!

[Kinetic]

Ghosts are made entirely of shredded wheat particles that have passed over to the other side and become embodied by hungry dead people. They roam the nether-realm in an eternal search for milk.

[Kev_UK]

I watch most haunted and most haunted 2 and programmes with psychics. I did see a ghost many years ago. The unexplainable (ghosts & ufo's) is what makes them so captivating. OK, all the people who do not believe in ghosts, I challenge you (when the weather is warmer) to spend a night in a graveyard or some haunted location.

[Kinderlada]

You can see qhosts only in your mind. These creatures are not exist. Them made up the people who whant belive that there is something after death. I belive in God but not in ghost. There is no science explanation for ghost!

[Kev_UK]

Kinderlada, In one instance I saw the ghost of my grandmother and I was too young to know what a ghost was at the time.

 

You say you don''t believe in ghosts, but believe in god.

Well, there is no scientific evidence to prove there is such a thing as god. I for one do not believe in god.  If he did create the earth and all the other stuff,  it was way before pen and paper were invented.. the bible has been made up over the years and things in it are not very well described and people can make up whatever they want that will loosely fit the description of the written word.

[natalie_1982]

There's more proof of ghosts than there is of God, even if the evidence can be disproved by a non-believer, it's still more evidence than anyone can put forward proving God's existence.

 

I don't not believe in God, I have my own beliefs and I know something is there, if not perhaps the God everybody normally thinks of.  I do believe in the afterlife without a doubt, and although everyone is entitled to their own opinion I think it's polite to at least listen to other people's views before slating them and saying quite blankly that "ghosts don't exist".  How do you know?  How can you prove thqat they don't exist anymore than others can prove that they do exist?

 

As a side point, I think Most Haunted is the biggest load of cr*p I've ever seen, I watched it for the first (and last!) time last week.  Derek Akorah should be ashamed, he acting abilities are cringeworthy!

[Kinderlada]

kev and Natali

I can not prove the God existe and you can not prove the ghost existe. Diferent people belive in diferent thing. I think its importante to belive in something. Explane me something. Do you belive that everybody after death become a ghost and what hapens whith animals they have soul too? Do you afraid of ghosts?

[natalie_1982]

I think you're right kinderlada, everybody should believe in something.  I'm saying the same as you, you cannot prove either - only more people believe to have experienced the presence of spirits then people who have experienced the presence of God. 

 

I'm not afraid of spirits, I believe that every living thin that dies its' soul moves on to a better place.  Those that feel they cannot leave this life and are not ready to be on the other side stay, and that is what we know as 'ghosts'.  Spirits also stay around if they have loved ones that they would need to look over, if they died suddenly and cannot accept it. 

 

This is what I believe anyway, I also know that I have experienced things that cannot be explained.  It makes me happy to think that when we die it is not 'the end' but merely the beginning and reuniting you with people you may have lost in your life on Earth.  Maybe our beliefs aren't that different.

[Kev_UK]

Kinderlada asked:-
Do you belive that everybody after death become a ghost and what happens with animals they have soul too? I think that some people come back as ghosts, those that died (or were killed) before their time. As far as souls are concerned, I would think that souls can return in another person (or animal), that is why we get people who believe they have been reincarnated, and people who have "deja vu" experiences.

 

Do you afraid of ghosts?  It depends.. some ghosts are kind people (family or friends) who didn't have the chance to say goodbye, or angels that watch over us. If someone didn't scare you when they were alive, they should not scare you when they are dead. Some ghosts can scare the crap out of you.

 

My 2 dogs have lay on the garden/lawn on top of my last dogs grave.. I was VERY suprised that some of their behaviour changed.. things they do that my old dog did. Has he reached them from beyond the grave or is it pure coincidence? It is unexplained.. Another thing is, dogs leave their mother after a few weeks, and they learn to do things that humans cannot teach them.. it is instinct .. another thing that is hard to explain.

 

My other grandmother said to me when I visited her in hospital and told her I would visit again "no, you won't".She died a few hours later.. How did she know she was going to die? I had a dog that was dying.. I had to go to an appointment and leave him for a while, he waited until I returned before passing away. Regarding Most Haunted, it is a documentary (reality tv) type of programme, so they are NOT actors. Derek is a medium (a very good one), the others are normal people, cameramen, etc. Do not confuse "real people" with "actors" like in the x-files, etc.
 

[natalie_1982]

I don't mean they went to Sylia Young or anything Kev, I mean I think Derek Akorah plays on it a lot.  He acts over the top, I've been to see both him and Colin Fry in the past year and Colin Fry was so genuine and spot on.  Derek Akorah's readings could have been relevant to anybody, i.e. "I can see a career change in the future", "You have been troubled lately but things will turn out ok", that sort of thing.

[ask-a-stupid]

so kev_uk if humans have souls & animals have souls and murdered humans come back as ghosts, does that mean that murdered animals therefore come back as ghosts?  If not, why not.  But if animals do come back as ghosts, what  would happen if I murdered a goldfish?  Would it just float around in circles where it's bowl used to be on the worktop? Or could it come upstairs to haunt me for example?

[paralysis]

Look everyone!  Ghost are real and that's a fact... Casper is proof of that, I have seen it on the telly.....

Here is a question.. if this is true then you are who you are when you pass over into the afterlife.

We are all a collection of experiences and memories, this is what defines you as a person.

What if you had an accident and got hideously brain damaged, you would get to pass over as you were before the accident or after?... or an infinitely wise version?

My point is that you are who you are and any changes however slight would mean something other than you, thus disproving ghosts and the afterlife completely!?

Who agrees?

 

[Diablod666]

I agree.

COME ON! this question is in the science section, where are all the people with half a brain? maybe its because people like trilobyte saw this subject and it wasn't even worth their time or effort to disprove you. Well its worth mine. Ghosts are

figments of peoples imaginations, a comforting explanation for the supposedly "unexplained", a way for intelligent people to con less intelligent people out of their money (mediums who do not actually believe in what they are doing), comfort people into beliving something after death (which there may be, but certainly not as a "ghost") and a great subject for movies.

some person said that they saw a ghost of their grandmother before they were old enough to know what a ghost was. You know what happened there? you were really young and didnt know much about the world. You were however, old enough to realise that your grandmother had gone. You didnt like this. So you "saw" your grandmother through wishful thinking, ran to tell your parents what happened. Then they go "it must have been a ghost" and now you believe in this total cr*p. Someone else said their grandmother told them "no you wont see me again" when she was in HOSPITAL. a place where many people die. hundreds of grandmothers have said that to people, but you are the only one that remembers it because it actually happened. It's just like how people remember the sad things in their lives because they are less frequent than the happy things.  I hope some people come around to my view of thinking about ghosts.

like my slightly annoying friend who believes that ghosts exist because "he saw them on most haunted" he's an idiot, but i put up with him. dont be like the idiot kids! disbelieve in ghosts

[Diablod666]

 
It was also mentioned about dogs and their instinct. Well instict is developed through process of evolution. The first dogs on this planet all did different things. Some decided to go and attack huge creatures. This was a very bad idea, and these ones died. They did not have a chance to reproduce. This means that it was impossible for dogs to later have an inclination to attack huge creatures. Also, some dogs decided that they would go out and search for food, rather than staying where they were and waiting for it. These dogs found lots of food, and so were able to reproduce. The little puppies they produced also had the same inclination to look for food, like their parents. These dogs also survived and reproduced. Evolution is all about trial and error. If, just by accident, a larger cat than normal was made, if this cat did well then it would have abnormally large children. Some cats would then, over thousands of years, evolve larger and larger and larger until finally the ones that were too large to provide food for themselves died out. You are then left with a nice big cat that will do very well for itself in the world... until another species evolves differently to change that.

I hope this helps people to understand instinct.

[bluewater198]

All psychological science begins with real-world experience.

Parapsychology being the scientific study of the paranormal pheonomena's so we can all judge whether or not they are valid. ( Ghosts )

MH , yes this is a fraud show.

Not all apparitions can move or touch things but they say when you see one for a split second it is just a Re anactment of what that person did when they were alive.

Which is why they walk through the walls as in there time there would have stood a doorway or window.

Hope this helps.

[mariner2]

Sure, there are loads of Derek Acorah showbiz types geting rich on faking stuff on garbage shows like Most Haunted . . . . . . but I have no doubt ghosts exist for real as well. Those peole are like the "Nigerian Princes" on the internet who would like your bank details so they can deposit millions of dollars in your account . . . . they are fakes and charlatans, but it doesn't mean there is no such thing as 4 million dollars.
Too many people with no axes to grind have seen too many things that can't be explained away by the "it's all in the mind" argument - such as when the apparition or whatever is walking on the level of where the floor used to be and using doorways and staircases that aren't there now.
I have never seen anything myself, but have always kept an open mind on the subject.
Anyone who scoffs at the existence of ghosts just because they haven't seen anything themselves is saying "you are a liar" to a hell of a lot of perfectly normal people who have experienced things and won't profit in anyway by relating those experiences.