Tories: Good or Evil?

[MickeyTheBrick]

I am of the opinion that the Conservatives are essentially a horrible lot and that the phrase 'Tory Christian' is contradictive in terms. Can anyone who answers this please refrain from the usual 'Labour ruined this country' etc. I'm just interested what people think of the Tories.

[Postdog]

I find this with most politicians but especially tories, and that is they don't live in the real world. As such I cannot have any respect for them. Like I said, that's most politicians really, but other parties do seem to have a few people who are more grounded.

[mike11111]

They're all right once you get to know them. I tend to vote for them.

[237SJ]

Time will tell how the Tories get on. It takes a long time to undo the work of the previous government and prove themselves regardless of which political party they are. As for evil, no way.

[SUSPECT]

In the news today

>>>>Hospital waiting times in England are at their longest for three years, an independent health think tank says.

The Kings Fund says statistics for February show 15% of patients waited over 18 weeks for treatment, the longest time since April 2008.

It argues the shift is due to the financial pressures on the NHS.<<<<


Wait till all the cuts take effect and watch the waiting list grow

[mike11111]

I remember when the Tory Party WAS the Tory Party. No silly soundbites, the PM would go off shooting on the grouse moors as usual and the country seemed better run for it.

[MickeyTheBrick]

Interesting comments. I come to my conclusion that the Tories are a horrible lot, because whenever they are in power there is more unemployment, longer NHS waiting lists, fewer public services etc

[DTCwordfan]

At its heart the Communist Party is a very exclusive club (Its chief members convinced that they are born to rule and all that entails) I call em scum myself!

I think that we ought to be taken over by China and become a colony

[237SJ]

The tories have only been in power for 5 minutes. How can unemployment be attributed to them (or the credit crunch for that matter)? Those issues are hangovers from the last 10 years.

[MickeyTheBrick]

DT: I was hoping for answers on the pros and cons of the Tories. The reason being is that whenever I've heard anyone who is pro-Tory, their comments are usually anti-something else, instead of lauding what's good about the Tories.

[mike11111]

In my humble opinion the only mistake the Tories have ever made was way back in the 1880s when they gave potential Labour supporters the vote. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.That's my motto.

[MickeyTheBrick]

Case-in-point: Mike's answer.

[mike11111]

My answer was ever so slightly ironic, given your hyberbolic use of the word "evil" in you OP.

[welshlibranr]

If you are working class or even middle class then they are evil!.....they will always look after their own first!.........always did!......always will!............no change!.......

[237SJ]

No different to any political party there then...

[mike11111]

There speaks the voice of reason, 237.

[sandyRoe]

I believe the Bullingdon Club at Oxford is actually a cover for a coven of satanists. Cameron was a member, as were other senior conservatives. The Tories are the spawn of the devil.

[DTCwordfan]

the crucial thing is that all the major parties have their strengths and weaknesses, both in terms of philosophy, planning (lack of it invariably) and people talent.

237 is right - in many ways it is too early to tell.

My fundamental problem is that no one is really prepared to look ar radical other systems - and I will give the Chinese one big tick, they haven't fecked around with the HK tax system which is brilliantly simple and works

(i) lowest no of tax folk per 1000 of population
(ii) highest % of payment
(iii) simplest to administer - 15% flat on about 20k and above, no exemptions other than if you have very old folk or handicapped in your house.
(iv) screw the proverbial out of ethanol and tobacco.

No party in this country is brave enough to visit this and work through the economics - like no party is brave enough to say what would be the impact of pulling out of the EU and joining NAFTA (as we can not go it alone).

And I would love the UK to take on a bit more radicalism in seeking solutions to our issues - for example the police - why the heck do we need five police districts here in the SW which have a smaller population than say Manchester....five chief constables, five HR directors and staff, 5 PR teams, 5 finance teams and all the rest. And they want cuts, start there and keep the front line. And no-one has the balls to say no to the NHS and all their back-office waste (ditto reams of unproductive management and redundant IT systems).

The whole lot are wusses and what this country needs is strong and true leadership - however pay peanuts and get monkeys when it comes to any Prime Minister or Shadow Party leader.....

end of rant and good night. David Mitchell et al are coming on.

[classylady60]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but IMO I don't think they are evil, I guess how we look at any political party comes from our upbringing. I think they could be doing better that's for sure but it is still early days after the mess they have to clear up, would be the same for any party having got in after the last jesters.