Why do people die?

[Elderman]

To answer such questions, it will be a help for us to know

Who has the answers. Is it the atheist s? Is it evolution? Or does Science have the answer ? well all claim to have answers, at least insofar as death due to aging is concerned. But the Bible does have all the answers.
But there are more lies told about the dead than the living, that no one seem to agree on the subject.

[naomi24]

//But there are more lies told about the dead than the living//

What an absolutely ridiculous statement! How can anyone tell lies about the dead - or the truth about the dead for that matter? To my knowledge, no deceased person has ever returned to confirm to us what it's like to be dead - and if anyone claims they have, I'd like to see the evidence!! You really do talk some complete and utter irrational tripe, Elderman!!

[penelope2]

Brilliant apodyopsis.

[maggiebee]

Do we really have to start this discussion all over again?

[Elderman]

Well, you admit that the reason many reject the existence of a Creator is that they do not want to believe. “Even if God were to tell me personally that I had to change their life,” some will still would not do it. I want to live my life the way I like it.” Clearly, some feel that admitting the authority of a Creator would conflict with their freedom or with the life-style they prefer. They may proclaim, ‘I only believe what I see, and I can’t see any invisible Creator.

[Old_Geezer]

In as much as folk tend to hold a position they are emotionally attracted to and then defend holding it there may be some mileage in the "not wanting to believe" suggestion. But that other side of the coin is that folk believe because they want to, so how much further forward does that take us ?

Why would anyone believe you had a personal communication with a deity ? Clearly the more likely event was a mental breakdown of some kind. Occam's Razor and all that.

And of course it is more logical to believe that which seems to have evidence than that which is merely someone's idea of what might be.

[naomi24]

Elderman, //Well, you admit that the reason many reject the existence of a Creator is that they do not want to believe.//

Who's admitted that? Not me.

[horseshoes]

Shortage of breath?

[naomi24]

^^ Ha ha! Good enough reason. :o)

[joko]

because if they didnt there would be no room for new people.

and if there were no new people, eventually, we would all 'wear out' and eventually be wiped out by accidents and there'd be no-one left

[Old_Geezer]

But if folk are wiped out by an accident then by definition they've died ?!?

[Elderman]

Naomi - Oh no not me Who's admitted that? Not me

The Bible also shows that some changed their mistaken way of thinking. For instance, consider the psalmist Asaph. Because wicked people seemed to fare well, he said: “Surely it is in vain that I have cleansed my heart.” But Asaph came to his senses after going to God’s house and meditating on the benefits of pure worship. he admitted his mistake in Psalm 73.

[Elderman]

Geezer- Is the objective of your meditating on God’s wonderful works merely that we be impressed, as if awed or dumbstruck by it all? Hardly. The ancient psalmist admitted the impossibility of comprehending and commenting on all God’s works. David wrote: “Many things you yourself have done, O my God, even your wonderful works . . . Were I inclined to tell and speak of them, they have become more numerous than I can recount.” (Psalm 40:5) He certainly did not mean, though, that he would keep silent about these grand works. David proved this by his determination expressed at Psalm 9:1:

[bondgirl007]

the bible is a made up story gone a bit to far how can people not see this

[emmie]

run out of steam, must be all that hot air..

[Old_Geezer]

To meditate on God's wonderful works presupposes there is a god and it is their wonderful works that one is meditating on. That may not be the case.

An ancient psalmist would have made the same assumption. To then force this assumption on others as if it were fact is not something to encourage.

Thread moved somewhat far from the original question, I think.

[Kayless]

Well I looked at the question but then I realised that it was our resident religious loony, tell you what elderman can you ask a question not related to religion one day just to show us you can.

[bondgirl007]

LOL at kayless

[Elderman]

Ok,who wants to come and Play? This is especially for kayless

[mccfluff]

play what?

[naomi24]

Elderman, //Naomi - Oh no not me Who's admitted that? Not me//

Are you absolutely sure you're quite well? I've said before that you make it up as you go along, and this is yet more evidence of it.

I'll copy here my post from another thread, where you accused me of exactly the same thing. I note you haven't answered it, but have nevertheless repeated identical nonsense in this thread. Perhaps if you read it twice, it will have more chance of sinking in.

"That isn't true. I've never said that - or even thought it. The reason I reject YOUR version of a creator is because I've studied the bible and have found the fake you worship to be abysmally lacking in qualifications."

Is that clear now?

Unless you're yet again setting yourself up as judge and jury for the rest of mankind, and declaring me to be 'wicked', I fail to understand your reference to Asaph.