Witchcraft

[pdust]

do you believe in it?

i was gonna make a new account to talk about this so you didnt all think i was mad but the fact that we would have had the same avatar could have been a dead giveaway :P

anyway..... ive always had lucid dreams and often had what people refer to as sleep paralysis but ive always thought there was more to it than your brains awake but your bodies not kind of thing....if there was just the sense of paralysis i could believe it but the sense that something evil is in the room with me makes me believe its more than that... also i had this long before i heard others had it and after reading about it i find it completely weird that people throughout the ages from all different backgrounds and cultures can have the same experience of an evil thing near them

to cut a long story short a fortnight ago i gave someone a personal belonging of mine then later joked he was going to do voodoo on me

since then i have had night terrors a lot worse than ever before.... im not stressed, i dont touch alcohol or any drugs at all.... i spoke with a friend whos alim and he advised me to among other things play a recording of quran while i sleep... i did this for 2 or 3 nights and nothing happened. last night i forgot to put it on and it was back full force

so my question is simple.... do you believe witchcraft exists?

[jim360]

...Hmm. My "not quite a serious answer" sense is tingling!

[China Doll]

No. I think some people can be more in tune with nature and more intuitive in general but I think it's nothing to do with witchcraft.

I've suffered with sleep paralysis on and off for years, it's nto odd to think there's something in the room with you. I've thought someone was sitting on the bed, someone was tickling me etc... I don't think there's anything even remotely sinister about it.

[Sharingan]

Seriously, if we discuss energy manipulation it won't be what either you or Jomifl consider to be ' energy' so I think before any of us start we would be beating our heads against a brick wall tbh. ' Energy' is a term that is used in magic to describe the work and the syncing that you bring together to manifest what you wish to happen. It is not the accepted sense of the word you will probably understand like ' kinetic energy' which exists by virtue of someone shoving a glass of milk off the edge of the table, it's a term because it describes the process of what we are trying to manifest.

[whiskeryron]

Hey pdust. Sorry you are having night terrors,just a little tip that may help, before you sleep imagine that you are surrounded by blue light. Then with your aura of blue protecting you, sleep soundly princess, & may Allah protect you in all you do.

WR.

[naomi24]

Ever had that feeling you're witnessing the Twilight Zone? :o/

[jim360]

Hey, if you clarify what you are talking about beforehand it would avoid that sort of confusion. I'm genuinely interested what exactly people involved in Witchcraft believe. I knew someone who was one before, though never really got to understand how she viewed the world and practised her beliefs.

[doctordb]

It's a load of old nonsense pdust.

It constantly amazes me how many usually reasoned and capable people there are who ought to know better.

[Sharingan]

that's the thing about Witchcraft, everyone is completely different. /you do have groups, you have Wiccans who loosely follow Gerald Gardiner's ideas like Seb, you have HedgeWitches who are more solo usually and heavily involved in herbalism ( my Grandmother is also a Hedgewitch and she was a Pharmacologist before she retired), you have Kaos Magicians like my father who don't believe that there is any greater will than their own and that magic doesn't have to be a strict set of rules it can be more of a concept, you get people who are old God worshippers like the Norse followers and simple Heathens. What would you like to know particularly.

[Sharingan]

Many nobel prize winning scientists are Christians, Jews or Muslims- but not many people *** them off for their beliefs all of which in some way incorporate magic and accept it's existence DrB.

[jim360]

I suppose, basically, if you could clarify this point please:

"...my dad practises Kaos Magick. If used correctly it's a wonderful healing and mending tool but as it involves elements of energy manipulation..."

I have fundamentally no reason to doubt herbal methods, as many of them gave rise to modern medicines as I noted earlier, but this sounds more abstract.

[Baldric]

Why do you associate Witchcraft with evil?

[rowanwitch]

Its as good a way of living as any other... you become attuned to the natural world and understand that you are part of the whole... and the trying to live without harming anyone is more of a discipline than you might think...

[doctordb]

Well I do *** them off for their belief's sharingan. 'Magic' exists only in their heads. Witchcraft is utter nonsense.

[Sharingan]

Kaos Magick is very abstract and sometimes quite scary to those who like to play by the rules of Wicca. It's also the side of magick that attracts a lot of unstable people, weird people and people who think they're going to open a vortex to another dimension. As well as that though it does attract the brave people of magick, the scholars and those who want to push boundaries of what is and isn't achievable. It's not for me but I can see why my father practises it because he's a very different animal.

[Sharingan]

Good for you Drb, what a jolly existence you must have, why would you want to rubbish everyone else's opinions because they are not the same as your own?

[Sharingan]

Exactly Rowan. I always try to harm absolutely no-one and help as many people as I can. It's not always easy.

[jim360]

Nobel Laureates sometimes get over-respected and, therefore, can get away with such crackpot ideas as Francis Crick's theory that Earth was "seeded [by aliens] with life". It's difficult for most to criticise someone like him so overtly as he has perhaps earned a right to speak such rubbish and be listened to respectfully.

In terms of religious or spiritual beliefs, most scientists tend to overlook those if the actual science work is good and stands up to scrutiny. For most, religion is a part of their private life.

[doctordb]

I didn't realise I was rubbishing 'everyone else's opinions' - nice one.

[naomi24]

Jim, // therefore, can get away with such crackpot ideas as Francis Crick's theory that Earth was "seeded [by aliens] with life".//

Why is it a crackpot theory? It surely has to be rather more plausible than believing life was created supernaturally by an unknown, unseen, magical entity.

[Sharingan]

''Well I do *** them off for their belief's sharingan. 'Magic' exists only in their heads. Witchcraft is utter nonsense.''

And that's respecting the beliefs of others is it Drb? Nice one...