Who Believes In Punishments Meeted Out Under Sharia Law ?

[beezaneez]

hands chopped off for thieves etc etc . what are your views . i do not believe in sharia , i think it is barbaric but.....arent i a hypocrite ? because for child murderers and rapists of children and pensioners and weak defensless people , i could kill them all in the most brutal way.

hmmm...this makes for a good start to a sunday morning LOL

[beezaneez]

ian huntley , ian brady etc , yes i could , no doubt whatsoever in my mind !! you think of them little childrens last living moments of sheer utter terror and tell me im wrong. harm an innocent little child and you should face unimaginable torture untill you die .

[andy-hughes]

Variations of this debate crop up regularly, usually after another child murder - and a lot of posters do say they could pull the leaver / wield the rusty razor and so on.

So, I don't believe in barbaric punishments, nor do I believe that people who think they could 'do the deed' could actually carry it out, except in their mind which is full of righteous anger and desire for revenge.

I don't think you are a hypocrite because we are a civilised nation, and our laws reflect that, so whatever you may think you could do - you couldn't, which is why you don't agree with it in other countries.

[Canary42]

You do make quite a good case for being a hypocrite beezaneez.

[andres]

Come off it!!!! How many of you would just sit back and say----'let them rot in jail' if it was your child that had been raped and murdered.
It wouldn't be quite the same thing to put the murderers to death.
For one thing you wouldn't be killing an innocent person like they did.
Did I say 'rot' in jail. Should have said---Give the murdering so and so's three square meals a day, warm clothes and a decent bed . Educate and give them access to Tv, computers,the gym, days out etc...

[EDDIE51]

Keyplus you say 'under Sharia it is not allowed to buy your way out' then go on the explain how it IS possible.
In the case of the Saudi Prince the relatives were forced to say they would accept 'blood money' the family of a lowly paid servant ( little more than a slave in reality) have very little choice where the accused is a member of the Royal Family.

[EDDIE51]

andres in the case of Ian Brady he has been pleading to be allowed to die/commit suicide for decades. He is force fed by tube by so that he can't die from the hunger strike he has been on for years. Every second of his life is torture, the other prisoners are all out to hurt him as much as possible. Any prisoner who can hurt him is regarded as a hero inside jail and is rewarded with tobacco and sweets from the other prisoners. When he started his hunger strike the 'Sun' newspaper started a 'send Brady a Pie' campaign he got sent 1,000s of them!. He still gets sent them, people want him to stay alive and suffer for as long as possible.

[hc4361]

Andres, try talking to some people who have lost a loved one due to murder, or read some books of their experiences and you may have a different viewpoint.
Some articles for you:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-370180/I-forgive-sons-killers.html

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/jan/30/mary-foley-forgiveness-daughter-killer

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/rev-simon-boxall-i-forgive-my-daughters-killers-1845732.html

http://www.ccr.org.uk/archive/gn0607/g07.htm


Anyway, in my opinion death is the easy way out for the offender - a swift end to any feelings of regret, fear, self-loathing, shame. Prison isn't the punishment - being forced to live with yourself is.
Of course, not all killers have a conscience but unless they are insane they will have the ability to fear the man sat next to him.
Let such people have long and miserable lives.

[hc4361]

Eddie's post wasn't there when I started my post but that is exactly what I was trying to express.

Further, no grieving parent would take comfort from knowing that the people who once loved and may still love a killer - his parents, siblings - will also be grieving because the killer has been sentenced to death.

[andres]

Well Eddieie51--With regard to Ian Brady ,he should have been executed . I remember the case well and it was horrific. To hear those tapes was sickening. But he was put away in prison and there are those who prefer to TORTURE a person for the rest of his life. I prefer execution to TORTURE .

[EDDIE51]

andres I sympathise with your view but the death penalty will NEVER come back so we just have to accept that.
Many thousands of people have been executed only to be proved not guilty later.

[emmie]

Keyplus
more places than Saudi Arabia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyya

[emmie]

how can you tell many thousands have been not guilty yet executed?

[emmie]

Diya (plural: Diyat; Arabic: دية‎) is financial compensation paid to the heirs of a victim. In Arabic, the word means both blood money and ransom.

[naomi24]

I don’t understand the mentality of people who seek retribution by inflicting pain and torture and gory vengeance. That serves only to satisfy a barbaric blood lust equal to that advocated by the proponents of Sharia Law. The demise of some would elicit no tears from me, but as I said a short, sharp lethal injection would remove them from society and that would suffice.

[emmie]

i confess that after reading the book on Brady, the taped transcripts of the children he and Hindley murdered i would happily have seen them both hanged.

[EDDIE51]

emmie some information here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution

[emmie]

i was talking about Britain not the rest of the world.

[Old_Geezer]

Some of us are more consistent and do not support violence against folk be it cutting of hands under questionable law systems or vigilante retribution on those who commit horrendous crimes.

[andy-hughes]

I would agree with naomi on this.

Further barbarity inflicted on murderers simply drags society further down.

I have always said, and it bears repeating - our laws are what make us civilised.

As a society, we elect to carry out punishments which do not further take us down the road of further cruelty and revenge.

That never sits well with the perfectly understandable human urge for some like-minded revenge, but in my view, it is still the best solution for the good of society as a whole.

[LazyGun]

However much you try to personalise it, however much you attempt to incite anger by using imagery like defenceless kids being killed, I am never going to give in to barbarism and condone the killing or torture of another human being however vile that person might be and however much I personally might be enraged at what they have done.

We are a civilised society, bounded by law for good reason, and giving in to base impulses to kill and maim just brings us down to the level of those individuals we might want to see punished.