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I heard about this for the first time only last night on the TV program ''It was OK in the 60 s'' but did not believe it was true.
But a bit of Googling found it was true and was a phase used by the Conservative candidate in the 1964 Smethwick election. The Conservatives won the seat with a 7.5% swing from Labour.
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Astounding how far we have moved on.
But a bit of Googling found it was true and was a phase used by the Conservative candidate in the 1964 Smethwick election. The Conservatives won the seat with a 7.5% swing from Labour.
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Astounding how far we have moved on.
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Been claiming it for a while
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///And I speak as a real Cockney, born within the sounds of Bow Bells...well, on a quite and clear day at least.///
17:31 Sat 28th Dec 2013
To be correct the term 'Cockney' and its meanings are not set in stone and have varied over time.
//The term cockney has had several distinct geographical, social, and linguistic associations. Originally a pejorative term applied to all city-dwellers, it was eventually restricted to Londoners and particularly to the "Bow-bell Cockneys":[1] those born within earshot of Bow Bells, the bells of St Mary-le-Bow in the Cheapside district of the City of London. More recently, it is variously used to refer to those in London's East End, or to all working-class Londoners generally.//
//The term cockney has had several distinct geographical, social, and linguistic associations. Originally a pejorative term applied to all city-dwellers, it was eventually restricted to Londoners and particularly to the "Bow-bell Cockneys":[1] those born within earshot of Bow Bells, the bells of St Mary-le-Bow in the Cheapside district of the City of London. More recently, it is variously used to refer to those in London's East End, or to all working-class Londoners generally.//
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As a Londoner I meet so many people who falsely like to lay claim to be a cockney.Our cockneys are described as the salt of the earth. I have no dispute there. It is,I suppose.a compliment to live the lie you are a cockney but I have more respect to do that. I am a Londoner and if I was the only person alive in the UK I could not hear Bow Bells from Hampstead (on a hill) any more than Wembley.
Ironic fact that although born in London I have,probably more Welsh family in Swansea than Mikey who lives there ,as a guest, and I am indeed half Welsh. :-)
As a Londoner I meet so many people who falsely like to lay claim to be a cockney.Our cockneys are described as the salt of the earth. I have no dispute there. It is,I suppose.a compliment to live the lie you are a cockney but I have more respect to do that. I am a Londoner and if I was the only person alive in the UK I could not hear Bow Bells from Hampstead (on a hill) any more than Wembley.
Ironic fact that although born in London I have,probably more Welsh family in Swansea than Mikey who lives there ,as a guest, and I am indeed half Welsh. :-)
I'm not expecting nor asking anyone to accept anything - the word has a tremendous history - I ove words and their origins and this one is no exception.
//The word cockney has resolutely resisted any simple etymology. It is first noted in 1362, when it meant a ‘cock’s egg’—that is, a defective one. However there was an alternative use, first recorded in Chaucer and defined in the second edition of the OED (1989) as ‘a mother’s darling’; a cockered child, pet, minion; ‘a child tenderly brought up’; hence, a squeamish or effeminate fellow, ‘a milksop’. Hence the equation, presumably coined by self-aggrandizing countrymen, of the weakling with the townsman//
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I just find these things fascinating.
//The word cockney has resolutely resisted any simple etymology. It is first noted in 1362, when it meant a ‘cock’s egg’—that is, a defective one. However there was an alternative use, first recorded in Chaucer and defined in the second edition of the OED (1989) as ‘a mother’s darling’; a cockered child, pet, minion; ‘a child tenderly brought up’; hence, a squeamish or effeminate fellow, ‘a milksop’. Hence the equation, presumably coined by self-aggrandizing countrymen, of the weakling with the townsman//
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I just find these things fascinating.
//Eddie51
I heard about this for the first time only last night on the TV program ''It was OK in the 60 s'' but did not believe it was true. //
Oh my. I learn't the Nursery rhyme, "Ba Ba black sheep have you any wool?" on a blackboard in Infant's school in the early 50s.
Can you believe that to be true? . It is almost too terrible to recollect.
Meant nothing to us tots then. Means everything to some pr**s now if that was taught in class today. :-(
Those old threads on AB make hilarious reading. Just read the first page of Baldric's link.
When Labour admitted, prior to the election, that mass immigration was a problem and one of the biggest mistakes they made in government our AB virtue signallers must have wished the ground would open up beneath them.(lol)
I'll say this for them though, they've got balls of steel. Doesn't matter how many times they get proved wrong, instead of dying with the shame of it all and slinking away, they just keep bouncing back to talk the same old botox again and again and again.
I'll go back now and relish the rest of that thread.
When Labour admitted, prior to the election, that mass immigration was a problem and one of the biggest mistakes they made in government our AB virtue signallers must have wished the ground would open up beneath them.(lol)
I'll say this for them though, they've got balls of steel. Doesn't matter how many times they get proved wrong, instead of dying with the shame of it all and slinking away, they just keep bouncing back to talk the same old botox again and again and again.
I'll go back now and relish the rest of that thread.
Retrocop. The Ba Ba Black sheep rhyme was originally to intended to illustrate the greater value of a black sheep over the 'white' ones.
This was due to the fact that black wool did not have to be dyed before it was spun into yarn and so was of higher value.
So in fact a 'black sheep' was superior to a normal white sheep rather than the other way round.
This was due to the fact that black wool did not have to be dyed before it was spun into yarn and so was of higher value.
So in fact a 'black sheep' was superior to a normal white sheep rather than the other way round.
Naomi...the answer is complicated and can't be answered neatly by one or two words. I don't have all the answers. I wish I did. But we could start by debating the issue on its merits.
We need a public debate on the subject but when we do have that debate, the discussion is easily hijacked by people with their own agendas.
For example, Eddie raised this issue that I was aware of but many people, especially younger people might not have been. But some people on here would rather argue pedantically about the origins of the word Cockney, than join in the debate proper.
Its a bit like the never-ending debate about Britain's role in Europe. The debate start off OK but before you know it, it has descended into a rant about warm beer, cricket and wasn't the Queen Mother wonderful.
We need a public debate on the subject but when we do have that debate, the discussion is easily hijacked by people with their own agendas.
For example, Eddie raised this issue that I was aware of but many people, especially younger people might not have been. But some people on here would rather argue pedantically about the origins of the word Cockney, than join in the debate proper.
Its a bit like the never-ending debate about Britain's role in Europe. The debate start off OK but before you know it, it has descended into a rant about warm beer, cricket and wasn't the Queen Mother wonderful.
In the mid 1960s I can recall my primary school class teacher reading aloud to us some stories of 'Little Black Nickum' (google it, you'll get the gist). This happened just a couple of times then we moved briskly on to some story about a baby seal and its adventures. So maybe the mid-60s was a time of growing unease with the stock portrayals of foreigners, especially black people.
Did someone ask for reasons why racism appears to be increasing? The key word is 'appears', as recent elections failed to return a party with an overtly racist agenda - surely some measure?
Could it be for example that the easy availability of media, like AB, Twitter etc etc just enables the vociferous to vent? Hence a perception of groundswell support against foreigners. Just a thought.
Did someone ask for reasons why racism appears to be increasing? The key word is 'appears', as recent elections failed to return a party with an overtly racist agenda - surely some measure?
Could it be for example that the easy availability of media, like AB, Twitter etc etc just enables the vociferous to vent? Hence a perception of groundswell support against foreigners. Just a thought.
Another part of the same programme showed the actor who played 'The Saint' in the 1960s TV series, grabbing a woman,laying her over his knee and spanking her. It was apparently acceptable in the 1960s!
That attitude may explain the multitude of historic sex abuse allegations currently in the news. A female presenter said it was normal for a fellow male presenter to place his hand on her bottom as he talked to her! That would count as abuse now !
That attitude may explain the multitude of historic sex abuse allegations currently in the news. A female presenter said it was normal for a fellow male presenter to place his hand on her bottom as he talked to her! That would count as abuse now !
What an outrageous campaign Eddie, and one I've never heard of (not that I take much notice of politics).
As for moving forward, look at some of the answers in the linked thread (posted at 23.49) where debate moved quickly into the usual irrational name calling and shouting xenophobic god knows how many times which seems to reflect society in general. This hysteria from mainly the left just prevents reasoned debate so it will prob just continue to go round in circles.
As for moving forward, look at some of the answers in the linked thread (posted at 23.49) where debate moved quickly into the usual irrational name calling and shouting xenophobic god knows how many times which seems to reflect society in general. This hysteria from mainly the left just prevents reasoned debate so it will prob just continue to go round in circles.
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