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Are Brexiters Worried That What They Voted For...ain't Ever Gonna Happen?
Seriously...as someone who was 'soft remain', I can see that the there is absolutely no way that the man/woman in the street is going to be allowed to dictate the financial security of the UK.
So...what do you think we will actually get from Brexit?
At best, a watered down version of what he majority voted for?
A hideous compromise?
At some point in the future, are we going to have to face the fact that Brexit cannot work, especially when a whole load of the Brexit camp will feel the reality of what they've done?
So...what do you think we will actually get from Brexit?
At best, a watered down version of what he majority voted for?
A hideous compromise?
At some point in the future, are we going to have to face the fact that Brexit cannot work, especially when a whole load of the Brexit camp will feel the reality of what they've done?
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Many of the Brexit slogans and aspirations involved the word "back" "Country back", "Soveignty back", etc. Generally "back" is not a good direction to go in, as Labour is finding now,having voted for an unreconstruc
19:00 Wed 29th Jun 2016
Togo
It's more about the next six months.
You know when you think that something ain't right...but you can't put your finger on exactly what it is?
Like I said before - I am really very 'soft' remain...but looking at AB, it seems that there are an awful lot of 'strong leave' posters who haven't really considered what leave really means.
It seems as if a lot of the Leavers have based their vote on an abstraction...rather than something concrete.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope that the leavers know something I don't.
It's more about the next six months.
You know when you think that something ain't right...but you can't put your finger on exactly what it is?
Like I said before - I am really very 'soft' remain...but looking at AB, it seems that there are an awful lot of 'strong leave' posters who haven't really considered what leave really means.
It seems as if a lot of the Leavers have based their vote on an abstraction...rather than something concrete.
I hope I'm wrong. I hope that the leavers know something I don't.
Gromit
Ha!
Yes...I read that earlier today.
This is one of those occasions where I genuinely hope that I'm in the wrong, because right now, my financial future has been decided by morons.
Sorry for the use of the word 'morons', but according to some on AB in the last week, the Remain camp were variously described as 'cowards' and 'traitors'.
So...y'know...cards on the table and all...
Ha!
Yes...I read that earlier today.
This is one of those occasions where I genuinely hope that I'm in the wrong, because right now, my financial future has been decided by morons.
Sorry for the use of the word 'morons', but according to some on AB in the last week, the Remain camp were variously described as 'cowards' and 'traitors'.
So...y'know...cards on the table and all...
It's called democracy. The man/woman in the street ought to always have they view taken into consideration. And no one is dictating the financial security of the UK, that is down to the business folk to ensure is working well; it's their job.
What we get from Brexit is as stated a number of times in other threads here. Off the top of my head:
A period of market disturbance that will seem next to no significance in the longer term, looking back.
Freedom to make our own laws without being told we must pass demands for an external unelected power.
The ability to vote for our representatives who make the law and who remain accountable to the voters.
And all the above entails. Including control of the borders so we can start to work on the rapidly increasing population at a time when we are already over-full with insufficient resources or even accommodation, and hte destruction of urban sprawl and loss of countryside/wild area in a desperate attempt to cope.
At some point in the future, are we going to have to face the fact that Brexit was the most sensible thing we have done in our lifetime, and has been a huge success. That it also had the downside of proving that at the time almost half the population was happy to sacrifice their country's sovereignty and be dictated to. And a few more were either too foolish to understand what they were being told and believed lies, or got cold feet and started suggesting they'd got it wrong when they'd got it right.
What we get from Brexit is as stated a number of times in other threads here. Off the top of my head:
A period of market disturbance that will seem next to no significance in the longer term, looking back.
Freedom to make our own laws without being told we must pass demands for an external unelected power.
The ability to vote for our representatives who make the law and who remain accountable to the voters.
And all the above entails. Including control of the borders so we can start to work on the rapidly increasing population at a time when we are already over-full with insufficient resources or even accommodation, and hte destruction of urban sprawl and loss of countryside/wild area in a desperate attempt to cope.
At some point in the future, are we going to have to face the fact that Brexit was the most sensible thing we have done in our lifetime, and has been a huge success. That it also had the downside of proving that at the time almost half the population was happy to sacrifice their country's sovereignty and be dictated to. And a few more were either too foolish to understand what they were being told and believed lies, or got cold feet and started suggesting they'd got it wrong when they'd got it right.
As I have already said we will get a deal on trade in goods like machinery, steel, cars, food, clothes, agricultural produce, but we will NEVER get to keep the 'Euro' trading that is handled through London. We never were in the Euro but trading in Euro markets and currency dealing is overwhelmingly done on the London market. The Germans have been trying for years to grab it for themselves and their Frankfurt dealing center. Now they have it handed to them on a plate and they will not let us get a look in!
London 'Euro' trading is HUGE business, it accounts for up to 40% of our entire foreign trade earnings. The City bankers will not be happy to see the end of their multi million £ salaries and even higher bonuses! Nor will they be welcome in Frankfurt & Paris they have enough traders of their own!
London 'Euro' trading is HUGE business, it accounts for up to 40% of our entire foreign trade earnings. The City bankers will not be happy to see the end of their multi million £ salaries and even higher bonuses! Nor will they be welcome in Frankfurt & Paris they have enough traders of their own!
well it's a concern, all the SBG running around trying to find ways to welch on it but I have confidence that Boris will invoke A50 and we're out of here. For Funks Sake if the boot was on the other foot would we be havoing all this h0rs3 ****?
"This is one of those occasions where I genuinely hope that I'm in the wrong, because right now, my financial future has been decided by morons. " - a bless the standard ABT position, if you disagree with me you must be thick. Have another punnet sp the markets will be normal once the gamblers have resolved their positions.
"So...what do you think we will actually get from Brexit? " - nothing less than we voted for, OUT, ASAP.
"This is one of those occasions where I genuinely hope that I'm in the wrong, because right now, my financial future has been decided by morons. " - a bless the standard ABT position, if you disagree with me you must be thick. Have another punnet sp the markets will be normal once the gamblers have resolved their positions.
"So...what do you think we will actually get from Brexit? " - nothing less than we voted for, OUT, ASAP.
I have just been watching residents of Port Talbot who voted Leave, being confronted by the reality of the Brexit vote. One cheerful soul, when asked why on earth she had voted Leave given the likely consequent demise of the steelworks, replied that Britain had come through two World Wars and it would come through this. The difference I guess being that WW1 and WWII were not brought about by referendums. And the only shooting being done now is in our collective foot :-)
The majority in voting "Leave" voted for vastly differing things. So it is impossible to say that they will therefore get it :-)
I'd also put money on it not actually happening in the way people expect, although it wouldn't be a large sum admittedly.
The majority in voting "Leave" voted for vastly differing things. So it is impossible to say that they will therefore get it :-)
I'd also put money on it not actually happening in the way people expect, although it wouldn't be a large sum admittedly.
"there is absolutely no way that the man/woman in the street is going to be allowed to dictate the financial security of the UK. " - but it would have been ok for them to turn us into Vichy Britain?? Anyway the markets have stabilised there is no financial issue, the banks are all prepped, anyway, I did some of the work myself for my outfit. Stop wetting your knickers and embrace freedom.
"bull ichk, the steel business was in turmoil long before the vote. "
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What do you mean by being a “soft remain”?
We’re either an EU member state or not. There are no grades of membership. No “soft”, “medium” or “hard”.
I don’t understand why it is suggested that Brexit cannot work. Are you suggesting that no country can function outside the EU? Or are you suggesting that the EU cannot function?
Nobody said this would be easy. That’s why we need a team of people to sort it out. The suggestion that “Leavers” based their decision on an abstraction is fanciful. I can only speak for myself and a few Leavers with whom I have discussed the issue. For me there was nothing abstract about the vision I have for the UK. It is absolutely real – an independent sovereign state, in charge of its own affairs and able to take its own decisions, unfettered by foreigners. I was under no illusions about what a Leave vote would bring and was only surprised that the immediate instability was not more severe. There will be considerable turmoil in the coming years and anybody thinking otherwise is deluded. It’s a price that must be paid to restore some sanity to our nation.
It is not only ridiculous but also insulting to suggest that Leavers did not know what they were doing. First of all they were mad to vote the way they did and now they did not know what they were doing anyway. I’m somewhat tired of discussions that suggest the entire referendum process was somehow flawed because of the apparent ignorance of those who voted in a particular way. Many people know quite a bit more about the EU than is generally thought. I personally have quite a knowledge of its workings and its institutions because I have made a point of finding out about them. Anybody else who did so may share my feeling of horror should they trouble to do the same. It’s been less than a week since the vote and I say again that nothing has changed since last Friday. Those suggesting the vote should be overturned simply on the basis that what now needs to be done seems a bit too tricky and the consequences were unforeseen are deluding themselves. It was a simple answer to a simple question and the risks and benefits of both options were adequately explained. Most people who voted Leave were prepared to suffer the short term drawbacks of leaving for the long term gain that would ensue. The Remainers took a different view. But they lost the vote.
We’re either an EU member state or not. There are no grades of membership. No “soft”, “medium” or “hard”.
I don’t understand why it is suggested that Brexit cannot work. Are you suggesting that no country can function outside the EU? Or are you suggesting that the EU cannot function?
Nobody said this would be easy. That’s why we need a team of people to sort it out. The suggestion that “Leavers” based their decision on an abstraction is fanciful. I can only speak for myself and a few Leavers with whom I have discussed the issue. For me there was nothing abstract about the vision I have for the UK. It is absolutely real – an independent sovereign state, in charge of its own affairs and able to take its own decisions, unfettered by foreigners. I was under no illusions about what a Leave vote would bring and was only surprised that the immediate instability was not more severe. There will be considerable turmoil in the coming years and anybody thinking otherwise is deluded. It’s a price that must be paid to restore some sanity to our nation.
It is not only ridiculous but also insulting to suggest that Leavers did not know what they were doing. First of all they were mad to vote the way they did and now they did not know what they were doing anyway. I’m somewhat tired of discussions that suggest the entire referendum process was somehow flawed because of the apparent ignorance of those who voted in a particular way. Many people know quite a bit more about the EU than is generally thought. I personally have quite a knowledge of its workings and its institutions because I have made a point of finding out about them. Anybody else who did so may share my feeling of horror should they trouble to do the same. It’s been less than a week since the vote and I say again that nothing has changed since last Friday. Those suggesting the vote should be overturned simply on the basis that what now needs to be done seems a bit too tricky and the consequences were unforeseen are deluding themselves. It was a simple answer to a simple question and the risks and benefits of both options were adequately explained. Most people who voted Leave were prepared to suffer the short term drawbacks of leaving for the long term gain that would ensue. The Remainers took a different view. But they lost the vote.
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