Are Niqab & Burka Barriers To Effective Communication & Establishing Trust & Rapport - Like In Testifying In Law Courts, Working In Professions That Require Interaction With People?

[willbewhatiwill]

Wearing insignias of one's religion like hijab, turban, bangle or crucifix should not be allowed if it is for reasons of security, health & safety or effectiveness at work (e.g. broadcaster wearing Niqab) especially in the fields employment, security, health & safety.

Employers or organisations (like TV companies, healthcare, teaching, banks, cinemas) should be able to ban Niqab & Burka, or other religious symbols for various reasons, without having to face racial discrimination court action.

However, Niqab & Burka hood, mask, helmet can hide the identity of a person, hence they should not be worn for photos required in passports, driving licence, travel & ID cards, etc, as well as for health & safety reasons.

Body searches may be even more necessary & intense for those wearing long robes & veils. Niqab & Burka can give rise to the lack of body language, as well as not demonstrating trust and openness/transparency. Niqab & Burka can be a barrier to effective communication & establishing trust & rapport - like in testifying in Law Courts, working in professions that require interaction with people (like healthcare, teaching, customer service, hospitality, counsellor, etc)

It should be possible for Niqab & Burka to be banned for various specified public gatherings (like buses). Women wearing veils can be a barrier to integration into British secular way of life, where religion is kept as a private affair without affecting the lives or well-being of society.

The differences between Muslim full head covering of Niqab & Burka, to partial head covering of Hijab, Chador, Al-Amira, Shayla, Khimar are illustrated in http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/24118241

[237SJ]

Dear oh dear - are you for real? I suspect that most of your opinions are purely academic and you don't have much experience of dealing with people in the real world.

[willbewhatiwill]

237SJ,

I interact with people everyday. I got worried if someone (might be he or she) suspicious (wearing a full Niqab & Burka) gather in a crowd; boarded a train, tube, bus, plane - as I felt I could be blown up anytime if I am near the person wearing the Niqab & Burka.

Hence the lack of trust in public on wearers of Niqab & Burka.

[THECORBYLOON]

Would you ban message bags, suitcases and rucksacks in case they contained a bomb?

[237SJ]

So do I. I prefer to read the behaviour of people before I decide whether or not I consider them a risk.

[willbewhatiwill]

THECORBYLOON: "Would you ban message bags, suitcases and rucksacks in case they contained a bomb?"

They should be carefully searched and scanned before boarding a plane, entering certain buildings/stadiums, etc.

[237SJ]

^ You don't say!

[willbewhatiwill]

237SJ: "I prefer to read the behaviour of people before I decide whether or not I consider them a risk".

I do not consider everyone wearing the Niqab or Burka a suicide bomber, but some give me creepy/horrifying suspicions & I have to move away as soon as I can.

[THECORBYLOON]

You were on about folk on a bus not a plane so should they be searched/scanned too?

[tamborine]

A burka supports 'hate of infidels' as kkk garb supports hate of blacks.

Both wear garb for a covert purpose

[willbewhatiwill]

THECORBYLOON

Buses are not usually high profile targets. Passengers (on tube, buses, rail, ferries, etc), shoppers, spectators, audience are best monitored by our security forces (like MI5, MI6, Police, Border Force, etc) and event organisers concrened, as well as public vigilance & information.

[THECORBYLOON]

One of us is confused, you're the one who raised the proposal that folk wearing niqabs or burka be banned and when asked why you said in case they had a bomb.

You now say a bus is not usually a high profile

[THECORBYLOON]

That posted too soon, you now say a bus is not usually a high profile target so why do you think burkas and niqabs on a bus should be banned in case they hide a bomb?

[willbewhatiwill]

THECORBYLOON: "You...say a bus is not usually a high profile target so why do you think burkas and niqabs on a bus should be banned in case they hide a bomb"?

I did not say burkas and niqabs on a all buses should be banned period. I realise it would be impractical/impossible/unnecessary to ban all passengers on all buses period. I do not mean this.

I said from my original post above: 'It should be possible for Niqab & Burka to be banned for various specified public gatherings' When I mentioned 'public gatherings' - I meant mostly concerts, Olympics, public meetings in halls, etc.


Employers or organisations should be able to ban Niqab & Burka, or other religious symbols for various reasons, without having to face racial discrimination court action. Niqab & Burka hood, mask, helmet can hide the identity of a person, hence they should not be worn for photos required in passports, driving licence, travel & ID cards, etc, as well as for health & safety reasons. Niqab & Burka can give rise to the lack of body language, as well as not demonstrating trust and openness/transparency. Niqab & Burka can be a barrier to effective communication & establishing trust & rapport - like in testifying in Law Courts, working in professions that require interaction with people (like healthcare, teaching, customer service, hospitality, counsellor, etc)

I continued, '
(like buses). Women wearing veils can be a barrier to integration into British secular way of life, where religion is kept as a private affair without affecting the lives or well-being of society.

[willbewhatiwill]

THECORBYLOON: "You...say a bus is not usually a high profile target so why do you think burkas and niqabs on a bus should be banned in case they hide a bomb"?

I did not say burkas and niqabs on a all buses should be banned period. I realise it would be impractical/impossible/unnecessary to ban all passengers on all buses period. I do not mean this.

I said from my original post above: 'It should be possible for Niqab & Burka to be banned for various specified public gatherings' When I mentioned 'public gatherings' - I meant mostly concerts, Olympics, public meetings in halls, etc.

Ignore the rest o the 2 paragraphs in my earlier post @ 19:31 Sun 06th Aug 2017 as I accidently posted them.

[woofgang]

you seem to be bulk posting again and getting dangerously close to spam point......

[willbewhatiwill]

woofgang,

Just, answering questions posted to me.

[THECORBYLOON]

Okay, so you want them banned on a bus only for certain events but if a bus is not normally a target, what is the problem and why are you not advocating searches of message bags, suitcases and rucksacks on the bus?

[willbewhatiwill]

CARBYNLOON,
Scanning & searching the suitcases, bags, rucksacs of everyday passengers/commuters is as totally impractical (in the ‘rush, rough & tumble' of everyday life) as scanning & searching their owners, surely. Are you serious?

[THECORBYLOON]

You said you were restricting it to selected events and I was asking my question in relation to that and not regular journeys.

[woofgang]

you are answering posts fair enough but they are on the multiple long cut and paste questions you have posted in quick succession.....just saying.....