Britain First Leaders Jailed Over Anti-Muslim Hate Crimes

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/07/britain-first-leaders-convicted-of-anti-muslim-hate-crimes

/// It was a campaign to draw attention to the race, religion and immigrant background of the defendants.” ///

To be fair, that is an important and valid factor, in this present age.

[sunny-dave]

No it wasn't - it was a disgraceful attempt at self-publicity and an outpouring of race-based hate - which very nearly caused an important trial to collapse.

[jno]

Are you okay if these people come and scream "paedophile!" at you through your front door?

[youngmafbog]

jno people do that when they see Plod failing to do their job. Pold have coninually been shown not to respond to allegations perptrated by certain communities with regard to grooming and rape. That action causes vigilante groups to start with the result as we see.

I am in no way condoning their actions as they went over the top but I do understand their position. These rather lengthy sentences will only reinforce those with a view that the Establishment are trying to silence them.

[sunny-dave]

Why would they do that, jno - a union jack flying from the mast outside would surely be evidence of probity?

[youngmafbog]

They do it through misinformation, clouded judgement through their anger and sometimes just plain old ignorance.

It is not the first time, in the past pediatricians have been attacked!

[jno]

They're so thick they attacked the wrong people, so it could just as easily have been aog on the receiving end as anyone else. And so even thicker that they filmed themselves committing their crimes.

And it's not because the police weren't doing their job: on the contrary, there was a trial going on at the time, which their own actions put in jeopardy.

No need to defend these morons.

[Gromit]

The people they were convicted of abusing, were NOT on trial. The were innocent people targetted by mistake.
One woman lost her baby shortly after Fransen hammered on her door.
Two infant children were scared witless and were left crying by her abuse.

They put an expensive trial at risk because of their stupidity.

[anneasquith]

On the bright side, this pair of bigots are " out of action " for a few months .

[Khandro]

Gromit; //One woman lost her baby shortly after Fransen hammered on her door.
Two infant children were scared witless and were left crying by her abuse.//

Is there any evidence to support this claim?
The judge didn't think so

[Gromit]

Ymb,
Plob were not failing in this case. Four rapists were jail, no thanks to Fransen whose actions could have got the trial stopped.

// Detective Inspector Bill Thornton of Kent Police said: ‘
‘They claimed to be exposing the men who had been accused of rape when in reality they knew little about the case in question and could have put the trial at risk due to their reckless actions.

‘It was the bravery of the female who was attacked and the tireless work of Kent Police detectives who ensured the men responsible are now serving a significant period of time behind bars, not because of any misguided attempt by Golding and Fransen to claim credit for their conviction. //

[anotheoldgit]

Things get out of hand when all groups have a grievance ie blacks tend to riot and the far-left take to the streets in masses etc. But it seems that it is only far-right groups that are taken to task over their grievances.

[Gromit]

Khandro
Fransen hammered on her door, and two days later the woman’s baby was stillborn. Those are facts.

// Judge Barron said it was “impossible” to find Britain First responsible for the stillbirth based on the evidence he saw, but accepted their actions caused further stress to those associated with the defendants who had been on trial at the time. //

Apart from the 9 month sentence (she will be out in 4) the Judge ordered Fransen to pay £2,000 compensation.

[anneasquith]

Aog, do you believe " far right groups " are treated unfairly ?

[Mamyalynne]

I replied on the thread on this in Society & Culture last night, albeit not at length.

They'll be back, no doubt.

[Gromit]

AOG

// grievances // ?

They committed crimes. Broke the law. Did aggravated harassment.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

To them they are grievances to the authorities they are crimes.

[naomi24]

aog, I don’t agree with laws that stifle free speech – whatever that speech may concern - but harassment is, quite rightly, deemed a crime.

[steg]

///To them they are grievances to the authorities they are crimes.///

They are crimes tho

[Khandro]

Gromit, So it was all "screaming" and "hammering", children crying and women having miscarriages; sounds quite a morning!
Yet it was all filmed, does the footage bear this out? and once again, was there any medical records presented in court of the alleged miscarriage, or was it only hearsay?

[youngmafbog]

//No need to defend these morons. // Well I am certainly not, however I really dont think just labelling someone as thick really helps. They have a strong view that is well apart from yours (and any sane person) but it doesnt automatically equate to being thick. They posted it online because they thought it would bolster their cause undoubtedly.