Truth The New Hate Speech

[Theland]

It seems there is overwhelming evidence that speaking the truth, on such matters as Brexit, Islamism, sexual grooming gangs to name just a few, can with a bit of disingenuous manipulation, be interpreted as hate speech.

https://youtu.be/xaXminKZmTY

This is scary stuff.

The extremely irritating politically correct Yvette Cooper would appear to be a high priestess of this dangerous insanity.

What do you think?

[fiction-factory]

Well Tommy Robinson's act of deliberately getting himself arrested seems to have fooled a lot of people who have mistaken the possible jeopardising of a criminal trial of grooming gangs for curtailing freedom of speech.
I notice the narrator blames the killing of Jo Cox on someone with mental health issues (okay "lunatic"). The irony.

[Theland]

The point made about the murderer of Jo Cox, as the murderer who drove the van into the crowd at Finsbury Park mosque, is that these two are held up as examples of extremist right wing racism, on a par with the Islamist religious murders that have plagued us for years.
Both dreadful acts of violence, but used to mask the severity of the threat from where it really comes from. Islamism.

[fiction-factory]

Both dreadful acts of violence. Agreed. Why not just leave it there.

[Theland]

Nothing Tommy said into his phone was anything new. It had all been in the public domain. He jeopardised nothing. What he was trying to do was report on something that the mainstream media don't touch with any enthusiasm.

[fiction-factory]

Some may see "a bit of disingenuous manipulation" in your words but sadly i belive you genuinely think you are right and that your Christian values are consistent with all your hatred

[fiction-factory]

>Question AuthorNothing Tommy said into his phone was anything new. It had all been in the public domain. He jeopardised nothing. What he was trying to do was report on something that the mainstream media don't touch with any enthusiasm
Maybe his lawyer who should have been defending him was an agent of the liberal/lefty luvvies. Has he appealed?

[Jackdaw33]

Yvette Cooper, aka Mrs Balls!

[Theland]

Fiction factory - Hate? Not hate. I don't waste energy on hate. Concern for freedom, yes, but not hate. Gave that up a long time ago.

[Theland]

Yes poor Ed having to put up with her!

[dannyk13]

Theland //What he was trying to do was report on something that the mainstream media don't touch with any enthusiasm//
Have you not heard of Sub Judice?

[Zacs-Master]

‘Hate? Not hate. I don't waste energy on hate’

Apart from posting a whole question on the subject, you mean?

[naomi24]

The vitriol we’ve witnessed recently against Tommy Robinson hasn’t arisen as a result of this case. It’s nothing new. As usual, his critics fail to attack what he’s actually said, well aware, I think, that they would be attempting to defend the indefensible. Their only recourse is to level their spiteful bile at him on a personal level. He speaks the truth and people who prefer to deny to truth don’t like that.

Yvette Cooper is probably the most disingenuous woman in parliament …. Diane Abbott running a close second – but she has an excuse.

fiction-factory, you shouldn’t bring Theland’s religion into this. Argue your case – if you have one to argue.

[kvalidir]

Theland's religion is perfectly relevant Naomi, if he is a Christian and posts relentless hate riddled questions loaded with his own agenda, which go directly against the teaching of Christ then it tells us a lot about his ability to massage and manipulate the truth- in other words it gives us a window to his personality, and as anyone who debates a lot knows you can't just debate the argument with someone you need to try to understand WHY they believe what they do, so in Theland's case his religious beliefs are very pertinent.

[naomi24]

kvalidir, I disagree. Theland’s religious beliefs aren’t relevant to the subject he’s highlighting – but claiming they are is a handy way of attempting to silence him.

[Hazi-Hammenuhoth]

Kval: [Thelands} /relentless hate riddled questions/- which question of Theland's are you referring to as hate-riddled, please? Theland certainly regularly espouses an unpopular point of view but hate-riddled? Really?

[naomi24]

Hazi, that sort of language is par for the course – precisely what I was referring to at 08:44. I have to wonder what’s to like about the people Theland is talking about?

[Hazi-Hammenuhoth]

Agreed, Naomi-the liberal left will do everything within their power to deflect, avoid, wriggle away from and dodge the very real issues and questions facing Britain today- namely Brexit, radical Islam, and Muslim child-groomers. Just so ironic that the very people they are defending (ie Koran-believing muslims) are those harshest against so-called liberal values such as free speech, homosexuality, abortion, integration into society and women's rights.

As for Theland and Kval- how can a question be "hate-filled"? A question is a question.

[naomi24]

Hazi, It’s certainly a puzzle. Perhaps Theland’s religion is a point of contention because it teaches motes and beams., etc, whereas what these child groomers are doing isn’t against their religion - so that makes them the … erm … good guys. Who knows?

[Hazi-Hammenuhoth]

To understand why some on the left defend Islam, I can only conclude it is a mutual hatred of America and all it stands for in terms of western values. It is helpful for the liberal left to try and portray muslims as an oppressed minority. It has been noted that "regressive leftists" in the West are "willfully blind" to the fact that jihadists and Islamists make up a significant portion (20% is estimated) of the global Muslim community and the minority Muslim communities within the West, even though these factions are opposed to liberal values such as individual autonomy, freedom of expression, democracy, women's rights, gay rights, etc.

Some have denounced the paradoxically illiberal, isolationist and censuring attitude towards any criticism of this phenomenon, which they contend betrays universal liberal values and also abandons supporting and defending the most vulnerable liberal members living within the Muslim community such as women, homosexuals and "apostates".

In October 2015, the hero of the godless, Richard Dawkins "lamented regressive leftists who fail to understand they are anything but liberal when it comes to Islam". The interviewer noted a willingness to criticise anything except Islam, excusing it as "their culture", to which Dawkins responded: "Well, to hell with their culture".

For once, I find myself in the unusual position of agreeing with him!

[NoMercy]

I've witnessed hate speech on here today between my early comments on the Windrush Thread and the late comments. I'm not sure if one or two offensive posts were made and then removed in between before I had a chance to read them, but there was some seething anger and outpourings of righteous indignation from some quarters.

I'm not in the least bit racist, homophobic or xenophobic. I live in the Black Country and work in the NHS with Nurses and Doctors of all ethnicities, religious beliefs and standards of living.

I agree that anyone viewing the site for the first time reading that thread would be encouraged to beat a hasty retreat for there was unwarranted aggression towards others, but not by the few towards the minorities.

To simply question, why MLK and not Churchill? Why Stephen Lawrence and not Holly and Jessica? is not racist. We are simply asking why the need to pander to political correctness.

Circa 2005 I was asked politely to leave a Gay club when it became obvious I wasn't gay. If a gay person had been asked to leave an everyday club purely because they weren't heterosexual, there would be utter uproar and, in all likelihood, a Police investigation.

I do despair when I think of the world that my son has been born into.