Since Drill Music Is Fuelling Violent Crime In London, Is It Now Time That This 'music' Was Banned?

[anotheoldgit]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/mars-youtube-advertising-pulled-drill-rap-videos-a8476941.html

/// Metropolitan Police Commissioner Cressida Dick has called on social media platforms like YouTube to remove videos that glamorise violence and, in an interview with Link Up TV earlier this year, Incognito admitted drill music was fuelling violent crime in the capital. ///

[fiction-factory]

How would that work then? Who would judge whether a song was drill or just standard Grime or whatever? Would judges have to become experts in diggerent rap genres?

[fiction-factory]

By all means shut down any violent videos and lyrics that encourage violence, but it is almost impossible to police what goes on the internet.
Maybe we should start by banning the classic Mack the Knife tune

[sunny-dave]

I'd rather Ms Dick got on with the day job of actually policing the capital (something that her over-funded and under-effective force seems lamentably unable to do), rather than headline grabbing nonsense about Youtube.

I seem to remember similar scare stories about The Who in 1964, The Sex Pistols in 1977 and RATM in the 90s - all rubbish, as is the current faux outrage.

[Old_Geezer]

Banning a music genre sounds both difficult and the start of a slippery slope. It's censorship because the citizen needs an elite to tell them what they may listen to. Specific tracks may come under existing laws banning incitment or whatever, but the whole classification, more difficult to make a case for.

[anotheoldgit]

Old_Geezer

They find no difficulty in banning certain protest groups, so what's the difference?

[Old_Geezer]

Banned protest groups tend to either be violent or to incite it. Not all the category of protest groups are banned, just specific ones.

[Ken4155]

Quite a number of records that were banned by the airwaves actually gained in popularity and reached the number one spot. Those who are violent will be violent whatever they listen to. Some of those suspected of being the 'Ripper' were most likely Opera or Ballet devotees.

[fiction-factory]

Well the equivalent would be to issue bans on one or two prominent drill msuic performers, but if you think that some sort of committee is going to vet every piece of music on the streaming sites, youtube, facebook, twitter, rest of internet and classify it as drill or non-drill then you know very little about music. Would you recognise the difference between a drill song and a grime song?

[jackthehat]

Ahhhh......and so the subtle shift occurs......

Music 'for the young' has always kicked against the rails of what went before.
Policing (no pun intended) t'interweb is a huge task and even if mainstream sites take down drill-rap videos the 'youth' will find a way to post and share them elsewhere.

[anotheoldgit]

Old_Geezer

/// Banned protest groups tend to either be violent or to incite it. ///

Well this type of music is also, certainly inciting violence.

/// Not all the category of protest groups are banned, just specific ones. ///

I am not suggesting that all types of music should be banned, just this specific one.

[fiction-factory]

You are missing the point, AOG. A specific protest group is easy to identify. A specific artist is easy to identify. But a genre is not at all easy to identify. Where was the border between punk and new wave, soul and R'n'b, rap and grime, grime and drill. It's seamless

[Ken4155]

A friend of mine informs me that if you play these Drill Music songs backwards, they tell you to be respectful to your parents, help old ladies across the road and follow the 10 Commandments.

[EDDIE51]

You can't ban a particular type of music, just because the lyrics of some songs advocate violence. If that was the case we would have to ban Classical , folk, rock,country & western etc as well.It is the lyrics that are the problem NOT the style of music they are sung to.

[kvalidir]

You can't police art AOG, nor should you. As EDDIE says there are violent lyrics to all sorts of genres of music, the problems are social, not artistic, that's merely an expression for how people feel, and if they're feeling like they want to shoot someone in the face because they live in a different postcode etc etc etc ( all the other lame reasons) then we've failed way before they start listening to Drill.

[Ellipsis]

> Since Drill Music Is Fuelling Violent Crime In London ...

Is it?

[fiction-factory]

Mack the Knife, Delilah, Bohemian Rhapsody ("Mama, just killed a man"), Stan by Eminem, I shot the sheriff, Copacabana, Cher's Bang Bang, ...
Should those be banned too?

[Old_Geezer]

"I am not suggesting that all types of music should be banned, just this specific one."

IMO you should be suggesting that not all drill music should be banned, just specific tracks. Blanket bans have wide ranging implications regarding censoring in society.

[ummmm]

And FF 'Coward of the County' by Kenny Rogers. That's about rape and locking people in and beating hell out of them.

[anotheoldgit]

So these lyrics are just about killing each other, and that's okay.

I'd gamble that if some rappers were to write lyrics with the words "Lets blow up those horrible Mosques"

They would be banned before the ink was dry.