Just Heard …

[naomi24]

… a friend in her 40s abs usually super fit is on a ventilator and seriously ill in hospital. Yes, you’ve probably guessed it. Covid - and unvaccinated. Anti-vaxxers, please think again - for your own sakes.

[Canary42]

How very distressing Naomi, and particularly galling for you as a stalwart supporter of vaccination. I hope your friend pulls through successfully.

And I can only echo Naomi's plea - anti-vaxxers please think again.

[Mamyalynne]

So glad you are keeping an ever watchful eye on what I post NJ.

I did not pick up that Naomi's friends was a 'her' at first reading.

I shan't bore you with the reason I missed it.

[naomi24]

Mibs, perhaps anger is the wrong word. Frustration is more appropriate. Frustrated that people risk their health - and lives - unnecessarily. I’m sure they think they’re invincible … until it happens.

[Khandro]

naomi: // I’m sure they think they’re invincible … until it happens.//

You are quick to make many assumptions, why not find out exactly what SHE thinks & please tell us.

[anneasquith]

I asked earlier on this thread, like khandro, I’d be interested on her ( or anyone’s) reason as to why they refuse vaccination .

[-SharonA-]

I'm fully vaccinated and, no, I don't know what's in it - neither this vaccine, the ones I had as a child, nor in the Big Mac, or in hot dogs, or in other treatments…whether it's for cancer, AIDS, the one for polyarthritis, or vaccines for infants or children.
I also don't know what's in Ibuprofen, Paracetamol , or other meds, it just cures my headaches & my pains.
I don't know what's in the ink for tattoos, vaping, Botox and fillers, or every ingredient in my soap or shampoo or even deodorants. I don’t know the long term effect of mobile phone use or whether or not that restaurant I just ate at REALLY used clean foods and washed their hands.
In short.
There's a lot of things I don't know and never will…
I just know one thing: life is short, very short, and I still want to do something other than just going to work every day or staying locked in my home. I still want to travel and hug people without fear and find a little feeling of life "before".
As a child and as an adult I've been vaccinated for mumps, measles, rubella, polio, chicken pox, and quite a few others; my parents and I trusted the science and never had to suffer through or transmit any of said diseases .
I'm vaccinated, not to please the government but:
* To not die from Covid-19.
* To NOT clutter a hospital bed if I get sick.
* To hug my loved ones
* To Not have to do PCR or antigenic tests to go out dancing, go to a restaurant, go on holidays and many more things to come.
* To live my life.
* To have kids go back to school and play sports.
* For Covid-19 to be an old memory.
* To protect us.
Courtesy of Facebook.

[Peter Pedant]

I am extremely sorry to hear that
and hope that it goes OK

one of my relations has just spent three weeks on a ventilator - news kept away from the health worker part of the famly

[Peter Pedant]

// ( or anyone’s) reason as to why they refuse vaccination .//

all over the Beeb every day - as part of the 'balance' - foreign stuff being injected, dont think they will get it, like NJ - covid= flu - wont kill them, not proven to be effective, not proven to be safe, had covid, fancy themselves unfit for vacca and or immune, dont need it, wish to exercise choice, wont be forced....

I mean one of them was a doctor for chrissakes ( Reamika Patel)

[Sven666]

Naomi24 - “... Anti-vaxxers, please think again...”

Can you define an “anti-vaxxer” for me?
Is it someone who is ideologically opposed to vaccines?
Or is it someone who is hesitant about the current Covid vaccines because of the lack of long-term study data and because most of the vaccines are still in their clinical trial phases and will be until mid to late 2023?

Asking for a friend.

[Buenchico]

For Sven666 (or, more accurately, for his friend), from the University of Alabama's website:
https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-know-about-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines

[Sven666]

Buenchico

Thanks for the link.

From the article:

“The long-term side effects of COVID infection are a major concern,” Goepfert said. “Up to 10 percent of people who have COVID experience side effects such as difficulty thinking, pain, tiredness, loss of taste and depression. We don’t know why that is, how long these symptoms will last or if there are effective ways to treat them. That is the most troubling unknown for me.”

So let me get this straight. The long term effects [which are currently unknown] of Covid are a major concern. But the vaccine to counteract Covid is not? A vaccine that has been in play globally for less than a year?

[Thisoldbird]

My grandaughter and great grandaughter tested positive yesterday. Mummy fascinated twice little one too young.

[1ozzy]

Thanks very much for your most valuable input Sven.
I may now stop following the advice supplied by doctors and scientists from all over the world and follow the advice that keyboard warriors such as yourself supply.
Thank you for enlightening me.

[naomi24]

anneasquith, she said she doesn't 'agree with it'.

sven666. // Can you define an “anti-vaxxer” for me?//

Someone who, for whatever reason, refuses to be vaccinated.

Khandro, // I’m sure they think they’re invincible … until it happens.//

//You are quick to make many assumptions, //

I'm not making assumptions. Anti-vaxxers must think they're not going to be adversely affected by Covid. She has Covid, therefore she is not invincible.

//why not find out exactly what SHE thinks & please tell us.//

See my reply to anneasquith.

[Peter Pedant]

late arrival - moi that is

//You are quick to make many assumptions, //

nope - the ration on ITU of vaccinated to unvaccinated is 1:32
3% vaccinated on vents - 97% unvacc

facts speak from themselves

//So let me get this straight. The long term effects [which are currently unknown] of Covid are a major concern. But the vaccine to counteract Covid is not?//

yes exactly - the disease kills and gives long covid in a large proportion of cases ( around 10% )
and the vaccine does not ( billion doses given - "myocardial side effects in adolescents of vaccination seems to have been overestimated." oo-er even safer than they tbought)

precisely

[Peter Pedant]

// The long term effects [which are currently unknown] of Covid are a major concern//

eek ! - yes - - no long term effects ARE known - long covid
VERY debilitating