Do All Lefties Hate Their Own Country?

[ToraToraTora]

....or is it just the UK ones?

[Untitled]

It was because of his politics and sexuality

[Zacs-Master]

1st link relates to complaining about lawyers. Note lefty lawyers being in quote marks. It's riddled with 'allegedly' and other unsubstantiated claims. There's no conclusion as to whether there were any concrete findings.

2nd link hits a paywall.

3rd link - Ah yes, Sally Chatterton (cheif editor), who previously wrote for The Daily Telegraph. Nuff said.

4th link - a single nut case attacking one person does not prove your point.


Nice try tho!

[Spicerack]

Why are you ruling out his being an annoying little gob-*** as a motive for the alleged slap he got.

[Zacs-Master]

If that's to me.....I'm not.

[naomi24]

Anneasquith, //Did you have a link ttt to generate this thread ? //

This isn't 'News'. It's a question about Society & Culture ... which is why it's here.

[drmorgans]

Is it really a question, or an excuse for proponents of the right and left to have a go at each other? Offensive and provocative.

[ToraToraTora]

drmorgans, no I'm genuinely interested. No one has actually answered the question yet.

[Zacs-Master]

I don't think there's any foundation to the question, Tora.

It's unprovable for a start and the assertion that 'all' of them feel that way isn't a sound basis for any sort of rational debate.

[drmorgans]

Okay, I have no doubt some (but not many) "lefties" hate their country. But there are enough right-wingers who are intent on damaging our society that it probably balances out. We, right and left, just think different means should be used to achieve our version of society.

I am what you would probably call a leftie, I prefer to think of myself as a social democrat (not a lib dem, definitely not). So I want everyone (with a few exceptions) to be fairly rewarded for their efforts. I think the most successful societies are those that are fairer, more equal. So an education systems that offers opportunities, a decent health service, good social support mechanism ("a safety net" for the less fortunate), redistribution of inherited wealth.

[ToraToraTora]

Yeah fair enough Zacs but I often wonder if all nations have their own self hating lefties.

[Zacs-Master]

Ahhhh. I was with you right up until 'redistribution of inherited wealth'.

Where does this start and end....£5, £50, £5000, £50000?

[Spicerack]

No, zacs. Me and untitled were having an ongoing spat over Owen.
I have got some proper theories as to why lefty is like he is but they'd only sow discord.

[Zacs-Master]

I'm sure they have a few, Tora but again, you'll never get to that truth on here.

[Zacs-Master]

OK, spicey.

[Paigntonian]

It's a leading question and a very stupid one. The blindingly obvious reply is 'of course not'.

[FatticusInch]

Difficult to tell who the ‘Lefties’ are really?
I mean, why would someone with ambitions to become Prime Minister slate British workers? Hardly patriotic, is it?

Why would Tory donors and hedge fund managers bet against the Pound, making a fortune out of financial chaos brought about by the Tory Government? What sort of patriot does that to the British economy?

The present Business Secretary moved funds from his business to Ireland just prior to Brexit. You’d have thought a wealthy patriot would have kept his business in the UK, surely?

It’s shocking really that those who claim to be patriots actually have very little regard for this country, the workers in it, nor its economy.

Yet they’re still trying to destroy it and are determined to trash its reputation?
Lefties, the lot of ‘em.

[Paigntonian]

If you think that Michael Foot, Tony Benn, Clem Attlee or Gordon Brown 'hated their country' you're certifiably mad. Patriots all.

[ToraToraTora]

drmorgans; "...redistribution of inherited wealth. " - ah the cloak comes off. The problem that the socialist mind fails to grasp is that by stifling endeavour there is much less effort to create wealth. We are all then poorer. We must accept that some will always do better than others, the world is not fair, some people just are not on the pace. All attempts at socialism fail because they are fundamentally against human nature.

[naomi24]

Drmorgans, //an education systems that offers opportunities//

You've got that. Comprehensive schools and university available to all - even if they are going for a degree in the antics of Mickey Mouse.

//good social support mechanism ("a safety net" for the less fortunate),//

You've got that, not perfect, granted, but this is one of the most caring societies in the world.

//redistribution of inherited wealth//

Who's inheriting whatever you leave when you die? The State - for redistribution?

[ToraToraTora]

paigntonian: "If you think that Michael Foot, Tony Benn, Clem Attlee or Gordon Brown 'hated their country' you're certifiably mad. Patriots all. " - Oddly enough Atlee is my 3rd favourite PM behind only TGM and TGL. I don't think they "hated" their country. My post is more aimed at the continual knockers. Perhaps "hate" is the wrong word. See my post at 10:09 for those I'm talking about,