It May Just Be Coincidence....

[andy-hughes]

... but I have yet to see a single 'non-binary' / 'they' / 'gender fluid' etc.etc individual, famous or anonymous, whose clothes, hair, facial expression, and overall demeanour-

are not silently screaming -

"Please please please, for God's sake notice me, I am starving for the attention of complete strangers!!!!!"

Anyone disagree?

[choux]

OP = Opening Post.
Night night, andy :)

[douglas9401]

I think maybe the phrase 'that's showbiz' will cover this one nicely.

I'm being kind.

[jno]

this one's for wolf

https://meowmeowcruise.com/

[gness]

They send postcards home to the cats.

When I ran a cattery I would sometimes have to send postcards from the cats to children on holiday to say they were having a lovely time in the cattery and not to worry. :-)

[rowanwitch]

You need to meet jerome57,I am not outing him as trans, it is why he came into the site some years ago to put the other side of the argument and explain a little of what he had to go through to be as he now is, he is the most unassuming bloke you could wish to meet. Except when he is conducting perhaps, I don't think anyone would know who he was before. It's why I generally post on threads like this, because I care for those like him who are just trying to get on with life after becoming who they should have been from birth. At the same time I don't believe in the right to just say what you are as the fancy takes you, as there will be some who abuse the right in the furtherance of their own ends.

The last thing he seeks is to draw attention as it is counterproductive and I have known a few others who feel as he does. They just want to live a quiet conventional life after sometimes many years of what I suspect from talking to them has been absolute torment.

[Hopkirk]

A short answer to the original question.

Yes. I disagree.

[Old_Geezer]

Like I pay any attention to that.

[jno]

very much as gays used to live, Rowan, staying away from the spotlight, afraid that they could be outed, disgraced, sacked, or beaten up in the street.

Andy might well have said, 40-odd years ago, all the gays he'd ever seen were screaming "For God's sake notice me!" And he'd doubtless be quite right, there were lots of highly camp ones. But that would be to ignore the millions who didn't live like that at all.

[ToraToraTora]

can't disagree with that andy, they are all attention seekers, thats the point, their point.

[gness]

Well said, Jno. It’s not unlike AB these days. A thread going well then in bounce the attention seeking ABers. :-)

[andy-hughes]

jno - // Andy might well have said, 40-odd years ago, all the gays he'd ever seen were screaming "For God's sake notice me!" And he'd doubtless be quite right, there were lots of highly camp ones. But that would be to ignore the millions who didn't live like that at all. //

The difference is, there is a large proportion of the world's population who are homosexual, but a minuscule proportion who are geuninely 'gender fluid', as opposed to the tiny proportion of attention-seekers who jump on the bandwaggon.

[sandyRoe]

There are some who are hungry for publicly. Most people just want to go about their lives in peace. Why can't we let them?

[andy-hughes]

We absolutely can, I won't make a fuss if they don't.

[Cloverjo]

I know a few gay people. Not all of them scream “I’m gay!” One of them is very camp, but he is an entertainer by profession so I suppose his work and life blur somewhat.

[Cloverjo]

I’ve never met a “gender fluid” or non-binary person. Perhaps I should try to meet some. I really don’t understand it.

[gness]

So if you disapprove of those who don't live their lives as you want them to, Andy you'll make a fuss rather than simply ignore them and get on with your own life?

Is that everyone you don't approve of or just those in your OP?

[andy-hughes]

Wow, two So Rules in one evening, that's a record.

Gness, you know me better than to think I disapprove of anyone who lives a different lifestyle to me, that is nor my point at all.

It is the constant noisy attention seeking that vexed me.

But far more than that, the disruption that such attention seeking causes other people.

For example, a local primary school had a boy of nine who has decided to 'identify' as a girl.

No problem. Except that the school has had to re-write every policy it has.

And it's disabled toilet is no re-purposed as a 'gender-free' toilet.
And a member of staff has to accompany the child every time he visits the toilet.

That is not just attention seeking, it is disruption, and yes I think it's wrong.

That's not living your life as you wish, that's a child being indulged by parents who must like the attention, however damaging that may turn out to be.

I am as Liberal as anyone on here Gness, and you know that, so please don't accuse me of bigotry, when you know none exists.

[Cloverjo]

When my son started his secondary (Quaker) school, the rules included one that said hair must be a natural colour. Twenty years later the ‘transgender’ children are allowed to have blue, pink and green hair. Because they are “transgender”.

I don’t know which loo they have to use or which sports they play. Perhaps it’s all unisex now to appease this tiny minority. But hey! Let’s just deal with it. This fad will end. And I do believe it’s a fad.

[Zacs-Master]

There are attention seekers in every facet of life. Your singling out of the gender fluid ones say much more about you than them, Andy.

[andy-hughes]

Please elaborate Zacs, what exactly does it say about me - in your opinion of course.