How The Hated Eussr Democracy Compares To That Of The Uk

[Hymie]

No doubt the Brexiteers will ignore the information in the video, or claim that it is false information.

[Hymie]

For TTT – EU elections

https://european-union.europa.eu/institutions-law-budget/leadership/elections-and-appointments_en

[retrocop]

//I'm as pro-EU as they come, but you shouldn't use terms like "gammon" and expect to be taken seriously///

Just read the origins of 'gammon' and it is described as typical left wing slur on a white conservative type. It was described as 'hate speech. The author stated that it is akin to calling a Jewish person a k..e or a poor white American 'trailer trash' The author happened to be a Labour supporter.
It sums up the user of this word here.

[Old_Geezer]

As I understand it, "Gammon" is simply a failed attempt to insult those born during what has been labelled by someone, the Boomer generation. I've only ever seen it used in that context. And yes, it does mean the user is not seen as someone one can seriously discuss things with. It is effectively a failed ad hominem, and right from the start.

[ClareTG0ld]

The statement made at around 2:30, that "100 % of all members of both [the European Commission and the European Parliament] are elected. 100%."

The EU Commission is made of appointed members, one from each member state. The President of the Commission, and then the remaining 26 members, *do* face a vote, but *only* a vote from EU Parliament members. It's not completely unreasonable to argue that indirect elections, ie those by a representative body rather than the electorate itself, are still democratic and still count as elections. But they are evidently not on the same footing as the European Parliament elections.

I was initially going to call this "misleading at best". But as the subsequent passage in the video discusses at length how we don't directly elect Cabinet Ministers, and particularly emphasises the lack of *direct* election, without acknowledging that this is also true for the Commission, then it's either accidentally or deliberately wrong.

[Old_Geezer]

Career oriented resentatives rubber stamping an appointed elite to be in charge doesn't even come close to being democratic. The elite were not chosen by the people, and it appears are not wanted by a large portion of them, given all the protests in various countries.

[Old_Geezer]

a) Cabinet ministers are elected to parliament by the people b) citing a less than ideal system in order to try to justify an appalling one, is hardly a credible validation.

[ClareTG0ld]

That's a separate issue, I didn't particularly want to debate the merits of either system. We did that enough in 2016 etc. But, for what it's worth, I am not sure that the video's (implicit) criticism of Cabinet Ministers being unelected is warranted. The Electorate doesn't have to micromanage every aspect of Government make-up in order for it to be democratic. Again, this is what representative democracy entails: we entrust a body to make decisions on our behalf, and hold them to a review at the end of it.

It may or may not be better to draw a Cabinet from elected members (although note that, in the UK, not all Cabinet Members are MPs), and it may or may not be better that the Cabinet undergoes some sort of approval, be it a mere rubber-stamping exercise; but at least as far as the statement in the video that the EU Commission is "100% elected", this isn't correct.

[ToraToraTora]

"For TTT’s benefit, all you need do is point out a statement that is not correct in the video. " - I have but that is not the definition of a lie. People say untrue things all the time, they are only porkies if they know they are untrue at the time they say them, geddit?

[ToraToraTora]

I wonder if that bloke in Hymie's videos is actually hymie!

[Hymie]

Anyone watching the video can’t fail to notice how much more democratic the EU institutions are compared to the UK government – perhaps the Brexiteers will be insisting we re-join the EU to regain some of our democracy.

[ToraToraTora]

Does the mere fact that you felt compelled to tell us how democratic the EUSSR is not indicate that it isn't? Your videos and contact propaganda are like what the public get fed in North Korea about how wonderful their regime is.