Serena Williams Could Beat The Men........right Oh!

[ToraToraTora]

[naomi24]

ClareTG0ld, //Who cares? //

You do.

[ToraToraTora]

I struggled to pick BA on this thread, AH was in the frame for 19:17, last evening and there have been several worthy answers but on balance I went with DD 07:48 because of the refreshing simple logic that seems to evade normally intelligent people. If you haven't I urge all to read DD's post and try and find fault with it.

[douglas9401]

Or indeed shout fire in a crowded theatre

[Zacs-Master]

It needs addressing in competitive / professional sports. But I don’t think it’s being ‘thrust’ on society in general.

[ClareTG0ld]

// ClareTG0ld, //Who cares? //

You do. //

Lol, no I don't, which is the entire reason I've no interest in either asking the question or answering it.

[ToraToraTora]

CTG, you are a scientist, your work is based on truth, experimentation evidence etc etc can you really say hand on heart that this paragraph from DD does not highlight an absurdity?
//Lea Thomas beat the Olympic Silver Medal winner by 1.75 seconds and at the time it was reported that 'she' appeared to be slowing down, presumably so as not to make the farce of 'her' competing against proper women even more farcical. Take that one step further, had 'she' been competing in the Olympics 'she'd' have taken the place of a real woman on the team, quite possibly would have won gold and we'd now have the first biological man, still with a cock-and-balls, as the women's Olympic champion. Anybody who doesn't find this absurd needs their bumps felt. //

[andy-hughes]

douglas - // Or indeed shout fire in a crowded theatre //

It's 'Falsely to shout fire in a crowded theatre.'

An important distinction usually missed, especially by people throwing it about to disrupt a discussion.

[andy-hughes]

Clare - //
// ClareTG0ld, //Who cares? //

You do. //

Lol, no I don't, which is the entire reason I've no interest in either asking the question or answering it. //

Then you can address your attention to the point I have made twice, about disruption caused by attention-seeking children - if you wish to do so,

[douglas9401]

Thanks for that. X

[ClareTG0ld]

// If you haven't I urge all to read DD's post and try and find fault with it. //

I did, and I'd say the main fault is that it's highly selective. Lia Thomas has lost quite a few races in her time swimming against women, but for whatever reason DD didn't think to mention these. Also, there's a bit of sleight-of-hand in mentioning how she beat a silver medallist. This is true, but Emma Weyant won a silver medal at a *different* event, the 4x100m medley, rather than the 500m freestyle. I'm not sure what Lia Thomas's medley times are (I'm pretty sure she doesn't do medley events), but they are different events requiring different skill sets so it's perfectly possible that Weyant's time at the 500m wasn't up to her 4x100 standard.

There's plenty of other ways that the nuance in Lia Thomas's case is sadly not touched on in DD's answer: for example, there were a great many athletes who spoke out in her defence, but their voices are often ignored or overlooked.

I'm not saying it's an easy topic to discuss, but coverage that only selects the race Lia Thomas won, and ignores all of the others, is one-sided and misleading.

[naomi24]

ClareTG0ld, for someone who claims not to care, you make a bit of a fuss over it.

[ToraToraTora]

AH: "Then you can address your attention to the point I have made twice, about disruption caused by attention-seeking children - if you wish to do so," - TBF it's probably the parents who are the ones causing the trouble. When I was 8 if that happened the teacher would ignore it and the other kids would take the peace so mercilessly that the kid would never mention it again, how can an 8 year old know anything about this? He's just seen it on the news and thought he could make use of it. He could well become the victim of GAC, discussed here: https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Culture/Question1845287.html

[Zacs-Master]

Hold fast, Tora. I’ve asked YMB to come and help you out.

[ToraToraTora]

CTG 09:32 ok but are you really happy that people who were once men are allowed to compete in women's sports? No amount of burgering about chemically is ever going to level the playing field.

[ToraToraTora]

I've don't need any more help Zacs my ground is solid and I have plenty of help here already.

[ClareTG0ld]

// ok but are you really happy that people who were once men are allowed to compete in women's sports? No amount of burgering about chemically is ever going to level the playing field.//

I refer you to my earlier answer in this thread. I didn't change my position since yesterday.

[ClareTG0ld]

// ClareTG0ld, for someone who claims not to care, you make a bit of a fuss over it. //

I don't care about your particular formulation of the issue, which is why I've generally not answered. I obviously care a great deal about transgender topics and discussion points, and should hardly need to explain why.

[Zacs-Master]

Oh, OK, Tora. He’ll probably be along anyway yapping and a-snapping. He generally does like to join in your threads.

[ClareTG0ld]

Also, a-h, with apologies for not getting around to your question yet.

It bothers me that it's described as "attention-seeking" seemingly by default. Who knows what conversations happened between the child and parents before they let the school know? I'm not sure I'd want to say anything more on this specific case without a lot more detail -- which, to be clear, I don't expect you to provide me with.

[naomi24]

ClareTG0ld, //I don't care about your particular formulation of the issue, which is why I've generally not answered.//

You claim not to care about it because you don't want to answer it. You know as well as everyone else knows, the answer to 'Can a female have a penis?' is 'No'.