Zelensky To Meet Trump In Washington To Sign Minerals Deal

[naomi24]

//Zelensky has described the bilateral deal as preliminary, and said he wants further agreements which include US security guarantees to deter renewed Russian aggression.

But Trump said the US would not provide guarantees "beyond... very much", saying the responsibility should instead fall to Europe.

Trump also seemingly ruled out the prospect of Ukraine becoming a Nato member - one of Zelensky's long-held ambitions.//

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn7vg0nvzkko

 

What, if anything, is in this for Ukraine?   It all seems a bit one-sided to me.

[youngmafbog]

The problem is we dont know the actual details, so until we do it is sheer speculation, helped along with a big dose of TDS.

I find it hard to believe Zelensky has just rolled over and I strongly suspect most of the press are exitedly using Trumps hyperbole for their own means as they too are not privvy to the detail.

Just have to wait and see.

[nicebloke1]

Well its more than obvious its one sided, but there might be an upside. When Trump and his gold digging gang start extracting there gold, Putin will think more than twice about invading Ukraine again because Americans may get killed, ie, he will be attacking American interests / industry.

[ToraToraTora]

The main thing that is in it for Ukraine is the fact that if the US has the right to the metals etc then they'll have de facto US protection.

[Old_Geezer]

Just guessing here but I suspect final details still to be discussed.  It ain't signed until it's signed.

 

As for what Ukraine gets out of it, well when in a weak poitions some unscrupulous types take advantage of you. I understand the money passed to Ukraine wasn't aid like the military equipment was, but was a separate loan, and the portion of it that the US contributed gives Trump leverage. He's calling for specific paybacks as soon as possible rather than allowing the party presently at war to get things settled and then discuss a fair repayment system.

 

The US seems to place emphasis of their ability to use tech and experience to get the Ukraine economy booming (in the US's favour of course). It seems keeping out of a conflict and finding ways to benefit from other's difficulties being in it, proves a good way to enrich oneself and become more powerful.

 

I guess we'll have to see what pans out.

[david small]

You cannot trust the press. They have their own agenda. Finding a reliable source of information is not easy as the media is biased, and propaganda rife.

[nicebloke1]

Topman KS will sort it today anyhow.

[naomi24]

^KS?  Trump will eat him for breakfast. 

[ToraToraTora]

Yep the Tool is on the way as we speak.....Bon Appetit Donald!

[ChatPGTips]

'security guarantees to deter renewed Russian aggression' would require a volte-face by Trump given his 'buddying-up' to Putin. Trump is quite.......mercurial shall we say......in his thought processes but I can't see him agreeing to this. 

[nicebloke1]

Say the self made work from home politicians. :0)

[naomi24]

^You mean like you?

[douglas9401]

Can we look forward to private security contractors and all the joy those rsoles bring?

The Donald will get his share, that's for sure.

[nicebloke1]

It all seems a bit one sided to me?

[Khandro]

It's better that the rare earths stay in the West, because if the US doesn't get some form of control of them, they'll sure as hell go somehow or other to China, who now has the monopoly of the world's minerals in Africa and elsewhere.

Most of Trump's motivation - Geenland, Panama etc. is all about the burgeoning Chinese ambition for world domination.

 

[tomus42]

It is one sided, but Ukraine is in a position of weakness.

What we do know is that Trump has never said a bad word about Putin, but he's called Zelensky a dictator and accused him of starting the war.

I wouldn't trust any deal made with Trump, and I'm sure Zelensky won't whatever he might say.

[Sinead_O]

What is in it for Ukraine?  US interest actually in Ukrainian territory, which in itself is security from Russian aggression.  Investment and employment for Ukrainians.  It's a win-win.  Option B is doing what Biden did, pour money into Ukraine for nothing, Russia continues its war against Ukraine.  Lose-lose.

[naomi24]

But .... //Trump also seemingly ruled out the prospect of Ukraine becoming a Nato member//

 

Should Trump be dictating that?

[youngmafbog]

//Well its more than obvious its one sided, //

Well if you know the finer details then pray tell.

But you dont do you, just more made up stuff from you

[Untitled]

When asked today if the US would provide guarantees for US security agent krasnov said:

"I'm not going to make security guarantees beyond very much. We're going to have Europe do that."

this would seem to imply that the US wants europe to protect its interests for it. 

[Untitled]

*Ukranian security not US