Islam - voilent religion?

[springbulb81]

Now the reading is clear on the wall , and we can see it with the bare eyes that Islam is responsible for majority of conflicts , wars and terrorist attacks of last few decades (if not few centuries). We need not to say Militant Islam or Fascist Islam or Voilent Islam or ... Islam is responsible for terrorism.

Islam itself is Militant , Violent , Destructive and Intolerant in nature. Islam is nothing but a medieval cult of intolerance, hatred, bigotry, incitement, plunder, rape, murder, bloodshed and death, and it is engulfing the whole civilisation into its tentacles . We have to free our societies with plague or cancer of Islamism. am I right?

[naomi24]

The way I'm feeling right now, Wiz, not a lot. :o).

Sorry this is only from the Sun, but it's the first one I came across.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/arti cle36799.ece

Do you think one of those photographer friends he mentioned took this? A holiday snap, no doubt. Still, looks like they had a nice day for it, so it wasn't all bad.

[keyplus90]

Naomi- thanks for that thread. How can you prove they were killed by Muslims. There are others out there who can speak Arabic and they are not Muslims. Simple thing to understand is that who benefited. All these things happened when people all over the world, including West started turning against American Invasion. Osama Bin Laden, if you see him somewhere call me I will kill him before any one else. He is american agent. Al- Qaeeda is Amarican own invention. Now people in America hve proved that American govt was involved in 9/11. I am sure you must have seen that film, I downloaded from Net.http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res =9E04EED81E39F931A25752C1A961958260&sec=&spon= &pagewanted=1
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res =9E04EED81E39F931A25752C1A961958260&sec=&spon= &pagewanted=1
You are talking about crimes of individuals. who I am sure will suffer in the hell. what about state terrorism, where millions are killed, mostly muslims, Kashmir, Chachenia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Sudan, All killed in those countries can not be terrorists.

[keyplus90]

Naomi. there are about 5 people in all, I don't know why media gives them that much importance. I thinks even their families do not agree with them. I told you that you can not judge Religion by the act of handful people, Otherwise I am fed up by saying this again and again. That more people have been killed by non-muslims than by Muslims. If you do not agree with this then you do not know history. I think Even if we start from 1400 years ago, still Muslims have not matched one and only Hitler. And I don't think he was Muslim.

[naomi24]

You are sure the culprits will suffer in hell! And that solves the problem, does it? Much good that will that do those poor men who were so horribly murdered!!! And yes, there were murdered by Muslims!!!

I'm going to bed. Goodnight everyone - and do have pleasant dreams.

[keyplus90]

I am off to bed- night night. got to get up early in the morning.

[naomi24]

Wiz, no I don't use that. I have enough trouble coping with AB at times!

Right, seconds out ..... round 2!

Keyplus, 'there are about 5 people in all'? I presume you're talking about 5 people who have been beheaded? And you think the media gives them too much importance, and you think their families agree with you? What planet are you on, keyplus? Perhaps their deaths are irrelevant to you, and you would prefer these things to go unreported so that no one knows what's happening? You've already asked how I can prove that Muslims killed these men, so you clearly doubt their guilt. Hard for you to believe is it? I don't know why it should be, since thanks to the media, the world does know what lengths these fanatics will go to. Anyone who can fly planes into buildings killing thousands of innocent people, or put a bombs on trains full of ordinary people going about their daily business, or brutally hack someone's head off, has to be a fanatic, and in my book, a fanatic is nothing less than a madman.

Furthermore, you say that more people throughout history have been killed by non-Muslims. So what? That doesn't that negate, or justify, what these barbarians do. I do know my history, but this is about what's happening now, in the present day - not about Hitler, nor what happened 1400 years ago. I would like to say 'get real, keyplus', but you can't, can you? That's impossible for you, isn't it, since your mind is completely lost to the pages of a medieval book. What a very sad world we live in - and religion makes it all the sadder.

cont....

[naomi24]

....cont

I learned a lot about you from our discussion over the past couple of days on Waldo's R&S thread about a secular state, and I can tell you, Keyplus, that you have managed to change my mind about Islam's agenda. I try to be fair, and I try to be rational, and therefore I've argued on AB in support of Muslims, but I won't be doing it again. You're an educated man - educated at Oxford - and if you think as you do, I have to wonder how the less educated and more easily influenced think. It's a frightening thought.

[springbulb81]

Keyplus - you are more deluded than I first thought.

you said the first web site I posted was just media. so what? did you actually look at it or read it?

If I went to Afganastan or Iraq and tried to build a church its likely I would probably be murdered to stoned to death. How many Mosques are there in Britain, or even in U.S.A and all over the world? Muslims are blinded by their own hatred and intolerance of other peoples religions. Simple.

[jake-the-peg]

Springbulb you are simply picking your evidence to suit your case and ignoring anything that disagrees with it.

You don't have a balanced viewpoint and obviously have no interest in the opinions of others and are just on here to rant.


If you want to trade pictures of demonstraters how about this lot of "christians"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2007/ 04/04/wswed04.jpg

And Deuteronomy 20:10-14 inciting rape and murder As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.


Or am I taking it out of context - like you are

I've known a number of muslims personally and each to a man/woman has been a fine person - why don't you try getting to know some yourself before forming your opinion

[eyebrows]

I think you need to all take a step back and realise that ALL forms or extremism is bad...

the IRA are christians, the al-quada are muslim....there wasnt alot of difference in what they did....

they essintially both used terroism as a tool to get their point accross.....which is wrong...

It is hard to post this, as i am irish, and fully back teh ira's beliefs, however....i am totally against how they went about it.....

they people you are all talking about are extremists, and thereofre are ALL in teh same catagory....

my tolerance stops where muslims dictate to us that we cannot do certain things as it offends the (father xmas, xmas lights, wearing crusifixes etc etc)

i think what everyone needs to realise is that you will get extremists in every religion and every creed and colour...

continue, just thought i should share that with you

[springbulb81]

I am not Christian Jake the peg and am not picking evidence. I am simply pointing out the facts, and these are undeniable. World War III will be caused by Muslims.

[Catron]

The IRA are NOT Christians. Christ would never recognise them as such.

[eyebrows]

they are isish catholics then....sheesh....catholics are christians....

[Catron]

eyebrows - you can call the IRA what you want but Christians (those who believe in the words of Christ) do not believe in violence. You can sheesh all you want but the truth is plain enough - you cannot be a CHRISTian without obeying the words of Christ.