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What is the truth about God?
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“GOD is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth,” (John 4:19-24)
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The apostle John was a Jew, as is indicated by his familiarity with Jewish opinions.
He was a native dweller in the land of Palestine, as is indicated by his thorough acquaintance with the country. The details mentioned concerning places named indicate personal knowledge of them. He referred to “Bethany across the Jordan” (John 1:28) and ‘Bethany near Jerusalem.’ (11:18) He wrote that there was a garden at the place where Christ was impaled and a new memorial tomb in it (19:41), that Jesus “spoke in the treasury as he was teaching in the temple” (8:20), and that “it was wintertime, and Jesus was walking in the temple in the colonnade of Solomon” (10:22, 23).
The writer was an apostle. No one but an apostle could have been eyewitness to so many events associated with Jesus’ ministry; also his intimate knowledge of Jesus’ mind, feelings, and reasons for certain actions reveals that he was one of the party of 12 who accompanied Jesus throughout his ministry.
Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus, Tertullian, and Origen, all of whom were of the late second and early third centuries, testify to John’s writership
This portion was taken from http://www.apostle.org/lectures/johnlife.htm
The Christian writers of the second and third centuries testify that the Apostle John lived in Asia Minor in the last decades of the first century and from Ephesus had guided the Churches of that province. In his "Dialogue with Tryphon" Justin Martyr refers to "John, one of the Apostles of Christ" as a witness who had lived "with us", that is, at Ephesus. Irenæus speaks in very many places of the Apostle John and his residence in Asia and expressly declares that he wrote his Gospel at Ephesus and that he had lived there until the reign of Trajan. Eusebius and others place the Apostle's banishment to Patmos in the reign of the Emperor Domitian (81-96).
Previous to this, according to Tertullian's testimony, John had been thrown into a cauldron of boiling oil before the Porta Latina at Rome without suffering injury. After Domitian's death the Apostle returned to Ephesus during the reign of Trajan, and at Ephesus he died about A.D. 100 at a great age. He expressed a willingness to undergo martyrdom - as did the other apostles - and is accordingly called a martyr in "intention." Some stories say that, although he was imprisoned and exiled for his testimony to the Gospel, he was eventually released and died a natural death in Ephesus: "a martyr in will but not in deed."
The apostle John was a Jew, as is indicated by his familiarity with Jewish opinions.
He was a native dweller in the land of Palestine, as is indicated by his thorough acquaintance with the country. The details mentioned concerning places named indicate personal knowledge of them. He referred to “Bethany across the Jordan” (John 1:28) and ‘Bethany near Jerusalem.’ (11:18) He wrote that there was a garden at the place where Christ was impaled and a new memorial tomb in it (19:41), that Jesus “spoke in the treasury as he was teaching in the temple” (8:20), and that “it was wintertime, and Jesus was walking in the temple in the colonnade of Solomon” (10:22, 23).
The writer was an apostle. No one but an apostle could have been eyewitness to so many events associated with Jesus’ ministry; also his intimate knowledge of Jesus’ mind, feelings, and reasons for certain actions reveals that he was one of the party of 12 who accompanied Jesus throughout his ministry.
Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus, Tertullian, and Origen, all of whom were of the late second and early third centuries, testify to John’s writership
This portion was taken from http://www.apostle.org/lectures/johnlife.htm
The Christian writers of the second and third centuries testify that the Apostle John lived in Asia Minor in the last decades of the first century and from Ephesus had guided the Churches of that province. In his "Dialogue with Tryphon" Justin Martyr refers to "John, one of the Apostles of Christ" as a witness who had lived "with us", that is, at Ephesus. Irenæus speaks in very many places of the Apostle John and his residence in Asia and expressly declares that he wrote his Gospel at Ephesus and that he had lived there until the reign of Trajan. Eusebius and others place the Apostle's banishment to Patmos in the reign of the Emperor Domitian (81-96).
Previous to this, according to Tertullian's testimony, John had been thrown into a cauldron of boiling oil before the Porta Latina at Rome without suffering injury. After Domitian's death the Apostle returned to Ephesus during the reign of Trajan, and at Ephesus he died about A.D. 100 at a great age. He expressed a willingness to undergo martyrdom - as did the other apostles - and is accordingly called a martyr in "intention." Some stories say that, although he was imprisoned and exiled for his testimony to the Gospel, he was eventually released and died a natural death in Ephesus: "a martyr in will but not in deed."
Evolution doesn't involve chance. Nothing happens by chance. Chance is an illusion that comes from not knowing all the variables. Even lotteries dont involve any inherent chance. There are loads of variables that we are unable to quantify, such as imperfections in the lottery balls and their initial orientation in the machine. Micro-changes in temperature, air pressure, and static charges will all play their part in how he balls move. The balls come out the way they do for a reason. Like you say, cause and effect.
As I believe the universe has existed for eternity, imo there was no spontaneous creation of matter, no creation event, no "First Cause". Also, I believe the universe exists in a state of equilibrium, so there is no overall increase in entropy.
Of course, many athiest believe otherwise. The Big Bang theory and athiesm are not inextricably linked.
As I believe the universe has existed for eternity, imo there was no spontaneous creation of matter, no creation event, no "First Cause". Also, I believe the universe exists in a state of equilibrium, so there is no overall increase in entropy.
Of course, many athiest believe otherwise. The Big Bang theory and athiesm are not inextricably linked.
Icg76….. <<you waste your money on books and cd's>>
How presumptious of you! How dare you suggest that I do not help others. At least I don’t waste money on pornography or violent videos and video games as many people do. (Not implying here that you do by the way). How do you know I don’t give to charities etc.
Because indeed I do. But I don’t brag about it. Don’t let your left hand know what your right is doing comes to mind here.
I think the shame is on you!
How presumptious of you! How dare you suggest that I do not help others. At least I don’t waste money on pornography or violent videos and video games as many people do. (Not implying here that you do by the way). How do you know I don’t give to charities etc.
Because indeed I do. But I don’t brag about it. Don’t let your left hand know what your right is doing comes to mind here.
I think the shame is on you!
It is courtesy to acknowledge a cut and paste just as a reference in any research paper or article - doesn't matter whether it is from your library, your town library or on-line. What you are doing by not acknowledging it is giving the impression you wrote it.
You didn't though.
The issue comes back to prove factually there is a god, not just lightweight, unsubstantiated illusional references in a tome designed to explain the unexplained to the masses centuries ago.
And before you starting that science isn't perfect and can't explain some fundamentals, no it can'tMost scientists and determinists would accept that - but we have an ever increasing knowledge of what does go on and the relativity of objects and the sciences involved to each other and, each month, are advancing our knowledge towards the creation of our universe - and that doesnt mean there weren't others before.
Perhaps it's a hard notion for someone who believes in some fictitious super-overlord, but perhaps we have always had a universe there, somewhere. There was no start, there is no end, just a continual process of birth and regeneration of the planets, of life where it exists (and that is more than likely to be elsewhere than just little planet Earth). Wait to that one is confirmed - and I would have a wager that this is highly likely in the next decade.
You didn't though.
The issue comes back to prove factually there is a god, not just lightweight, unsubstantiated illusional references in a tome designed to explain the unexplained to the masses centuries ago.
And before you starting that science isn't perfect and can't explain some fundamentals, no it can'tMost scientists and determinists would accept that - but we have an ever increasing knowledge of what does go on and the relativity of objects and the sciences involved to each other and, each month, are advancing our knowledge towards the creation of our universe - and that doesnt mean there weren't others before.
Perhaps it's a hard notion for someone who believes in some fictitious super-overlord, but perhaps we have always had a universe there, somewhere. There was no start, there is no end, just a continual process of birth and regeneration of the planets, of life where it exists (and that is more than likely to be elsewhere than just little planet Earth). Wait to that one is confirmed - and I would have a wager that this is highly likely in the next decade.
lcg76 your point is one that has puzzled me too. Many believers seem to be obsessed with qualifying to get into heaven, to such extent that they overlook helping their fellow man which according to their instruction manual is the most important thing that they can do. A little less glorifying god and a little more humility and charity might just earn them a little respect and improve the lot of society and their fellow man.
DT:
<< courtesy to acknowledge a cut and paste just as a reference in any research paper or article - doesn't matter whether it is from your library, your town library or on-line. What you are doing by not acknowledging it is giving the impression you wrote it.>>
I can’t acknowledge it because there is no one to acknowledge unless I quote the University of Pecs.
BTW I cut and paste the above from your post!
<< courtesy to acknowledge a cut and paste just as a reference in any research paper or article - doesn't matter whether it is from your library, your town library or on-line. What you are doing by not acknowledging it is giving the impression you wrote it.>>
I can’t acknowledge it because there is no one to acknowledge unless I quote the University of Pecs.
BTW I cut and paste the above from your post!
mummy...i certainly wasn't bragging. simply suggesting your religious drivel costs you a pretty penny and that is the problem with 'organised' religion. they make money out of suckers like you and you should instead be using that more usefully. if you don't realise that...more fool you and shame on you. it sickens me to see religious riches all the while they claim to be charitable and 'helping' others. with religion it always comes at a price...and usually at the poor, needy and helpless they like to prey on. not to mention the thousands of children abused in the name of religion. you carry on buying your books and cd's which make you feel superior. you have nothing useful, special or advanced to offer anybody except for the rehashed drivel that is put put out there to keep sheep like you in line (as you have no dangerous or wild opinions of your own). say something astounding/truly individual and i'll eat my shorts.
Jomifl - very true.
As to whether God exists or not, none of us will ever know for certain until it is too late to let anyone else know on one of these forums or elsewhere inthe livving world. Personally I don't believe there is any life after death but of course I may be proved wrong. In which case, since I don't subscribe to the existence of a deity, I am probably condemned to eternal damnation.
And if the universe, creation etc. can't be explained away unless there is a God, then where did he (or she) come from in the first place?
As to whether God exists or not, none of us will ever know for certain until it is too late to let anyone else know on one of these forums or elsewhere inthe livving world. Personally I don't believe there is any life after death but of course I may be proved wrong. In which case, since I don't subscribe to the existence of a deity, I am probably condemned to eternal damnation.
And if the universe, creation etc. can't be explained away unless there is a God, then where did he (or she) come from in the first place?
jw's are the scourge of the earth (mr kicker was raised as one and it f***ed his family up royally). never have i experienced such a divisive, dangerous bunch of people. why do all religious people think they are so special and right? they conveniently forget tolerance and humility in the act of preaching and belittling others. as i have said previously...i have never heard anybody who claims to be religious say anything truly individual or profound. it gets boring after a while.
DT Obviously not so well informed as you think.
What is the matter with you? Can't you accept that other people have brains as well as you? Or is it a case that because you do things you assume others do as well? I can assure you, and I repeat again I have not copied & pasted anything that shouldn't be.
I suggest you go to the people at the University of Pecs in Hungary and report them for making recordings of discussions and debates that they have attended etc. If anything I have wrote appears to be similar to any websites, I can't do anything about it.
It appears to me you are now grasping at straws. Can you not find anything original to write that you have to keep harping on about people copying and pasting.
How do I know you don't do it yourself? Only your word for it.
BTW I don't see the relevance of the links you put.
What is the matter with you? Can't you accept that other people have brains as well as you? Or is it a case that because you do things you assume others do as well? I can assure you, and I repeat again I have not copied & pasted anything that shouldn't be.
I suggest you go to the people at the University of Pecs in Hungary and report them for making recordings of discussions and debates that they have attended etc. If anything I have wrote appears to be similar to any websites, I can't do anything about it.
It appears to me you are now grasping at straws. Can you not find anything original to write that you have to keep harping on about people copying and pasting.
How do I know you don't do it yourself? Only your word for it.
BTW I don't see the relevance of the links you put.
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