Images of the prophets

[beso]

Muslims are offended by images of Muhamed.

They also claim that Jesus was a prophet of Islam. Why are they not offended by images of Jesus?

[Ankou]

retribution was the wrong word in context of 'my' post, i should have put recompense.

[ludwig]

// if you set out to specifically offend someone via art or suchlike //

I wouldn't. It would just be a nice portrait. Head and shoulders.

[Ankou]

then in the majority of muslim minds it would be unlikely to cause offence.

apologies for taking your mention of "cartoon" out of context.

[ludwig]

No Problem.

[ludwig]

It looks like your image of Mohammed is equally non-offensive beso. It's not been removed yet at any rate.

[jomifl]

Ankou, Having followed your link I think you do have a valid point re. 'offense'. However in a non muslim country I don't see how muslims have anything to complain about as lampooning is part of some western cultures just as much as burning flags and effigies and not drinking alcohol is a part of islamic culture.

[Ankou]

like the recent 'unhate' benetton ads jomifl...... ?!

[Khandro]

There are thousands of images of Muhamad ; http://www.google.co....QsAQ&biw=1344&bih=662

[vetuste_ennemi]

Ankou, thanks for the link; I'll be looking more at this website.

The article was excellent, but (in my opinion) confuses two notions: avoiding gratuitous insult (slapping the fish in their faces) and modifying your own private behaviour to protect the salmon-haters from the intense pain they feel "even hearing about people taking pictures of salmon". Let's concede the premise of the article that this pain is real rather than contrived, then how can they be protected? If hearing about it is enough to aggrieve them, why not just imagining its possibility? And at what point do concessions to the delusion stop? What, for instance, should be the correct punishment for the causers of pain? Take away the camera for a first offence? Or maybe the only way the pain can be assuaged is by capital punishment, say stoning?
Back to the topic. I (and I suppose most other AB atheists) have no wish to abuse or insult Muslims, but neither do I want to be bullied by them.
If they are a right they will always and forever have the last laugh, won't they?

[jomifl]

Sorry Ankou, I haven't seen any Benetton ads. in thlas decade so I don't understand your point.

[jomifl]

^ the last decade

[Ankou]

november 2011 jomifl, caused a right kerfuffle at vatican towers

[jomifl]

But which one Khandro?

[DTCwordfan]

Muslims probably would be insulted at an image of Jesus being used in the wrong context - he is a Prophet to them.....it's a degree of insult,

We can all see images that portray Jesus et al et al - remember the dog's butt or the aerial photo of the field. Some are amusing, some offensive.

Remember this one? It was on a Have I got News for You" along with the second one, where the image looks more frightening than the original......

http://images.icnetwo.../hitler-817774808.jpg

http://img.thesun.co....IT---682_1282907a.jpg

[Ankou]

dt as per my post above, catholics were choking on the wafer at this:

http://images.mirror....image-1-727012952.jpg

[jomifl]

Ankou, OK, I didn't realise it was a Benetton ad. It was a bit gratuitously offensive in my view as it pretended to be a photo of an actual event. perhaps just depicting them praying together would have made the same point. A cartoon on the other hand is obviously not fraudulent.

[jomifl]

The fact is that nobody knows what either jesus or mowosisname looked like so people are seeing what they want to see and being offended because they want to be offend.

[Ankou]

i know jomifl. consider my earlier analogy re the footballer effigies being burnt. most people were shocked and maybe repelled by that. why ?

[naomi24]

Going back to jno's post about pixellating faces, Muslims don't object to images for security reasons, but rather to prevent any image becoming an object of worship. Also in some societies people think that if an image is produced of themselves, their own soul is transferred to that image. This is why some Muslims will not allow themselves to be photographed

[Khandro]

jomifl, these are actual depictions of the prophet Muhammad; http://www.google.co....QsAQ&biw=1344&bih=662