Sexual Discrimination

[Father-Ted]

Which religion has the worst record for sexual discrimination?

[sith123]

keyplus...i see what youre talking about :)

birdie, i think what he is saying is rational, because if you met in a debate you would have less time to think of your answers and get links or "makes stuff up" as you would both be face to face, not behind a computer screen. so yes, i have to say, i agree with keyplus.

[sith123]

birdie, maybe you should read that book keyplus was talking about, by karen armstrong, shes not muslim so you cannot say it is biased. that would tell you about islams history, im sure.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, why do you keep asking Birdie to meet you face to face? What do you want to say to him that you can’t say here? I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again – an invitation like that from a complete stranger is creepy!

Sith and Keyplus, all you two have done on this thread is attempt to defend the indefensible. Why don’t you answer Father Ted’s question? Which religion do you think has the worst record for sexual discrimination?

[keyplus90]

Naomi - why don't you and birdie ask all of those western women who are converting to Islam that why the hell are they doing so? Why are they walking into a religion that has no respect for women. Why don't you start with Yevone Ridley?

Have I said that all before? So many times

Birdie - I am just ignoring you for very well known reasons spanning over 5 years.

[emmie]

keyplus i would like an answer to that myself, any woman, not just western converting to Islam, what does it offer that any other religion does not, in my opinion it seems a retrograde step.

[Davethedog]

I would like to know why the Muslims are not brave enough to just say what there religion says instead of trying to be defensive.

Why can't you say what your religion says which in its basic is woman is 2nd class, woman is a chattel, woman has no opinion better than any man, woman is a sex object that I am so scared of liking another man that she must be covered and subjugated.

Tell me why are you not brave enough to defend this?

[jackthehat]

This is in today's DM.......

Even if it is only partly true,it is shocking enough.

http://www.dailymail....g-British-Asians.html

[Davethedog]

JTH and now we wait for the justification, how its not all muslims that its skewd or untrue. How we dont understand the book, if only we were more knowledgeble, how wetwist the words.

Be men an admit you agree.

[emmie]

JTH, not shocking but bloody outrageous, if only they would see that this is the sort of behaviour that is totally unacceptable, and for any young person brought up in Britain, asian or otherwise to think this, is truly reprehensible.

[jno]

"now we wait for the justification, how its not all muslims"


mmm, yeah, well, even the Mail doesn't mention religion, it just says Asians, so aren't you presuming a bit?

[emmie]

jno, doesn't matter, it's an appalling attitude.

[jno]

yes it is, but the story doesn't say it's a religious one.

[Davethedog]

Jno I wasn't refereing directly to the article but to the two posters however it refers directly to Iran and Kurds, so possibly presumptive.

[emmie]

jno, that is in the text.

Honour attacks are punishments usually carried out against Muslim women who have been accused of bringing shame on their family

[jomifl]

Honour has nothing to do with it, it is all about pride and vanity and vengeance. Because islam places the men at the head of the family they are forced to lose face when their womenfolk 'misbehave' as they are seen to be socially deficient. If the women had liberty and free will this would not happen.

[Father-Ted]

Thankyou all for your replies, there seems to be a consensus that Islam and Christianity don't have much to be proud of but there surely must be lot of religions which have done even more appalling things and they haven't yet been mentioned. I am surprised that the Islamic contributors haven't come up with any religions worse than themselves, is it because there aren't any or because they are ignorant of other religions and their practises? I can't decide on a best answer yet.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, I’ve told you before. Most women who convert to Islam do so because they marry Muslims. If you and Sith weren’t Muslim, your wives wouldn’t have converted to Islam.

And you’re not ignoring Birdie – you’re inviting him to meet you in person – again!

Are you going to answer the original question - or are you going to continue to avoid it?

Jack, your link is shocking - but it doesn't surprise me.