Does Islam Have Anything To Offer The World?

[naomi24]

We have been told by a Muslim ABer that the people of Islam are coming to the west, not for a better life, but to show us ‘the way’. Most of the major problems the world is currently experiencing undoubtedly involve Muslim nations, and if that’s ‘the way’ they want to show us, it's not terribly enticing, so just what does Islam have to offer the world? As far as I can see, nothing whatsoever.

[sandyRoe]

I don't think even the most fervent of the non-believers here in R&S would go as far as that.^

[Khandro]

//everything that happens was in the past.// - except the present ? or am I missing one of your gems ? :-)

[jomifl]

It is not enough to find gems, one must share them too.

[emmie]

most of the butcher shops i come across apart from the main supermarkets only do halal, a practice i heartily disagree with, and like Ratter i have seen footage of this so called better method of dispatch, it isn't, it looks like the animals suffer a pretty miserable death, not that ordinary stunning then slaughter is completely humane, but halal is something we have had foisted on us, like it or not. If the outlets, supermarkets, convenience stores all label their goods non halal, halal, i at least have a choice. Most markets in the capital only do halal, find a decent butcher and you can get non halal, but confess the major supermarkets should all label their meats as such.

[emmie]

Khandro, how many Christian churches in Saudi, how many would own up to being Christian in a Muslim country, not many. They are not inclusive, and those who think they are are sadly mistaken. The building of Mosques will not stop, nor will it stop them taking over abandoned churches if they can get permission, i am waiting for our fairly poorly attended local church to have a minaret on the top then i know it would be time to vacate. I am not lover of any religion, nor will i ever be, but as we have seen endless times, they are divisive and controlling. Christianity has a lot to answer for, Catholicism much more so, as to Islam you can keep it.

[Khandro]

Jom; I always try to, but sometimes it's like throwing pearls before swine.

[tonyav]

Agree with that em, I don't wish to eat meat that has been slaughtered in that cruel and barbaric manner.

[Sir Alec]

Sandy, come to Sheffield, the pubs are full of Muslims drinking alcohol and selling drugs. Scum of the earth.

Does Islam have anything to offer the world? No.

[tonyav]

And not just Sheffield I can assure you, Sir A.

[emmie]

i was essentially called a liar by someone on here for stating that most of the butchers you see around only do halal, well most of the markets i know, and have used are now majority asian run, and so halal is their way, so i keep my eyes open, and use the supermarket where i can, but still check labels. I try not to be hypocritical, i do like eating meat, but do worry about animal welfare, so perhaps i should become a vegetarian. I have tried quorn products but confess that wasn't very nice.

[emmie]

Sir Alec, we have plenty of those, riding around in pimp mobiles, drug dealing and running prostitutes seems a way from the path of Islam, but i doubt many care.

[Sir Alec]

I stopped buying from Asda when I found out that their Isle of Dogs branch sells nothing but halal meat. It's just a principle.

[emmie]

Isle of dogs, the mind boggles.

[Khandro]

em. (see I remembered); I agree, and attacks against anyone on grounds of religion is appalling as was seen in the partition of India by Muslim and Hindu, and Northern Ireland for that matter, religion alone is not always the main factor in these conflicts. I was really responding to vulcan's "integration or total annihilation" comment, which I believe is an unrealistic scare.

[emmie]

glad you remembered, not that it's important, x x

[jomifl]

It is not for us to decide whether or not swine are worthy of or appreciate the gift of pearls.

[sandyRoe]

Is a 'seagulls follow the trawlers' ambience starting to develop in this thread?

[Khandro]

Jomifl; I'll paint a Gloucester Spot wearing a pearl necklace just for you.

[jomifl]

Wear a pearl necklace if you must but I'd rather you painted a canvas than a pig.

[Octavius]

em10 - "how many Christian churches in Saudi, how many would own up to being Christian in a Muslim country, not many"

I'm not sure on the exact number, but 'not many' is as good a guess as any. Anyhow, having spent some time there, the Mutaween are quite content to let christianity be practiced discretely by expats (in compounds, 5 star hotels and diplomatic quarters). More importantly, if you despise religion - why would it bother you?

And unless you are vegetarian, an animal will bleed to death to feed you. If you think that all your meat has been stunned first - whether Halal or not - then you are quite sincerely deluded.