In This Science Age, Do People Have Faith In An Invisible God Almighty?

[goodlife]

If they have no faith in Him now, could we expect a sudden burst of faith in the near future, when the worst comes and they are obliged to acknowledge their own helplessness and that of modern science?

[Khandro]

^Because he's a scientist.

[pixie373]

No. I think if anything, there will be less and less faith as people become more educated and more responsible for their own lives. I doubt religion will exist at all, eventually. I haven't read the thread yet, but will do so now.

[naomi24]

Because he's a scientist? So colleagues within a professional environment tell him they're atheists - but outside of that they confide in him. That doesn't really gel.

[modeller]

We constantly discuss the religious beliefs of scientists as opposed to non scientists, but what is a scientist. Science is an all embracing word . biology, ecology , cosmology, physics , ..............................etc.
All these subjects can be studied and practiced at all levels from nursery school to dedicated laboratories.

The term scientist is meaningless unless we know what sort of scientist we are talking about when we say a scientist is or is not a theist or an atheist.

[Khandro]

Many people keep a public and private face for fear of appearance. I'd be surprised if you can't think of any.

[naomi24]

I can think of one.

[goodlife]

//so the greater your level of educational attainment, the less likely you are to hold a belief in a deity//

No, science can be a useful tool in this regard. The more we learn about the complexity and order of the universe, the more reason we have to be in awe of the One who designed it all. Some scientists are open to such evidence and find it convincing. No doubt they would say that science has helped them to find God.

Other scientists, it seems, will not be convinced by any amount of evidence, they are to proud to be.

Again, sad the trend of science as practiced by some today seems to undermine morality, values, and standards. Biologist Richard Dawkins, who rejects the idea of God, stated: “In a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won’t find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice.” Do you find that a rather grim view, for a atheist no.


A wise psalmist was moved humbly to admit: “Know that Jehovah is God. It is he that has made us, and not we ourselves.” (Psalm 100:3) To many reasoning minds, this modest acknowledgment makes infinitely more sense than modern theories about human life arising by chance.

[mibn2cweus]

The pursuit of new knowledge begins with the honesty to acknowledge what you do not know immediately followed by the courage under threat of death to question those who claim they do.

[jim360]

You've often spoken of "lots of evidence" but never mentioned what it is. Care to elaborate?

[goodlife]

You know 150 years ago, humans began to develop elaborate sewage and waste-disposal systems. However, there already was an expert in this disposal—a little ant found in tropical.

British scientists at the University of Sheffield have found the answer, reports The Independent newspaper. Close to the garden chambers are larger chambers where the waste is stored. Ants that work with the garbage spend their lives there, turning the waste over to aid decomposition, which in turn destroys disease-causing bacteria. The gardener ants never enter the garbage chambers. They bring the waste into a tunnel, and the garbage workers collect it. This effective waste management system prevents any risk of contamination and protects the colony’s health.

Yes,Jehovah God not only created insects with instinctive wisdom but also gave the Israelites practical health guidelines over 3,500 years ago. The application of these laws would prevent contamination of food and water supplies, stop the spread of infectious diseases, and ensure safe disposal of sewage.

Look how much suffering and death could be avoided by following such simple principles!

[jomifl]

GL, the only reason the biblical food laws were necessary was because they had less than admirable hygiene practices. Eating animals that have just eaten your sh1t has never beeb a good idea.

[goodlife]

Jom@True knowledge and wisdom certainly have greater value than mere stupidity.

[naomi24]

Goodlife, // Biologist Richard Dawkins, who rejects the idea of God, stated: “In a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won’t find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice.” Do you find that a rather grim view,//

No. Why grim? It’s a fact of life. Have you actually ever read any book written by Dawkins?

[LazyGun]

Without science (biology) you would know nothing at all about ants and their garbage disposal methods. Without science ( public health) you would know nothing about decent sanitation measures and hygiene.

And you have not offered a single shred of observation or proof, in all your many evangelical ditties, to support the notion of a creator god. Not once.Just assertion. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Christ Hitchens said that, if memory serves, and it seems a pretty apt response to all of your comments.

From your extensive knowledge of the bible, gl - how would the world treat sickle cell disease? How about Malaria? How about Thalassaemia? What about Cancer? What would you do instead of vaccinations? Bit of holy water perhaps?

How would the world look if we only were unfortunate enough to rely only upon prayer and the ravings - err, sorry, teachings - of the Jw's - as a defence against Polio, or Smallpox?

How would you treat appendicitis -or any major surgery come to that- without antibiotics?

Your continued refusal to recognise the findings of science, your cults determination to reject observation, fact, evidence, deduction,and reason in favour of a literal interpretation of a book of tales has gone beyond mildly amusing to risible farce.

As to other issues - We should measure people and cults by deeds and actions in the real world,rather than words in a forum, no? So - how many hospitals, children's homes, adoption agencies, schools, etc do JW's help to run/fund? What actions do the JW's do that warrant their charitable status?

[jomifl]

There is an amusing irony in that GL like many proselytisers is quite happy to use the discoveries made by scientists when he thinks that they support his beliefs yet conveniently ignores those that appear to contradict those beliefs. This demonstrates beautifully the difference between believers and scientists /rationalist. You cannot choose only convenient truths without the inconvenient ones biting you in the bum later :o)

[mibn2cweus]

Historically, religion has never been remiss to riding on the coattails of science. It's only when they find themselves under the microscope that they cry "Foul!"

[beso]

Religion allows a person the pretense of knowledge without actually having to understand anything at all.

[redman41]

Thank God I'm an Atheist :-)

[goodlife]

LazyGun @you are so out of touch, People around the globe can relate to all your words,but so many atheist when they personally face a severe crisis, they still cry out to God for help.

Today, the term cults is used freely by religious writers, critics, and others, slinging it like a mud pie at whosoever offends their own brand of religious sensibility.

But is that a sound basis for judging? Rather, would it not be best to follow the guideline Jesus provided and examine their “fruits”? He said: “By their fruits you will recognize them.”—Matthew 7:16.so simple for some.

Which faith stands up under test—that of the atheist or that of the religious believer? Consider, for example, the origin of life.

Richard Dawkins, claims that by virtue of the vast number of planets that must exist in the universe, life was bound to appear somewhere.

To me it would be like getting into a taxi and telling the driver to drive around the block repeatedly until his car ran out of fuel. That is foolish—and costly! travelling in circles with your life.

Without convictions, you’ll be wishy-washy. Like a chameleon, you’ll change colours to blend in with your peers—yes a sure sign that you don’t have your own identity.