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What Will You Say To An Atheist?
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Because what you see happening in the world today is a result of man’s trying to get along without God.
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Since a majority of the world's humans still believe in a God or Gods, the state of the world tiday must be more based in trying to get along assuming a God, not without one.
13:40 Tue 29th Mar 2016
@goodlife (page 2)
//Many scientists of note//
Look, we've just been through all of this, in the tail end of "Why be interested in other religions" which you've long since stopped participating in. That is, we've been ribbing Khandro for relying on the "argument from authority" fallacy.
Meanwhile, what counts as "scientists of note", given the following:-
(Google result)
No results found for
"It was fashionable to make fun of religion,because its meaning was not understood by immature scholars" zimmerman harvard.
(with the quotes)
It then searches without quotes but finds nothing remotely aligned with your supposed attribution of those words to Professor (no firstname) Zimmerman, of Harvard.
//Victor Hess of Fordham University, Nobel Prize winner//
…is so "notable" that I'm going to have to google who he his, what field of science he got the prize in *and* where Fordham University is.
This is the 21st century and we can fact-check everything the watchtower puts in print.
p.s. Aren't all 144,000 places already taken (since the 1920s)? Are you selling phoney heaven tickets?
//Many scientists of note//
Look, we've just been through all of this, in the tail end of "Why be interested in other religions" which you've long since stopped participating in. That is, we've been ribbing Khandro for relying on the "argument from authority" fallacy.
Meanwhile, what counts as "scientists of note", given the following:-
(Google result)
No results found for
"It was fashionable to make fun of religion,because its meaning was not understood by immature scholars" zimmerman harvard.
(with the quotes)
It then searches without quotes but finds nothing remotely aligned with your supposed attribution of those words to Professor (no firstname) Zimmerman, of Harvard.
//Victor Hess of Fordham University, Nobel Prize winner//
…is so "notable" that I'm going to have to google who he his, what field of science he got the prize in *and* where Fordham University is.
This is the 21st century and we can fact-check everything the watchtower puts in print.
p.s. Aren't all 144,000 places already taken (since the 1920s)? Are you selling phoney heaven tickets?
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Joint prize for discovering cosmic rays.
He died in 1964 and I think it is not unexpected for someone living through an era with two world wars to have held a faith. He was of his era.
Watchtower needs to bring itself up to date and cite scientists who are still alive (with permissions of course) although any willing volunteers will be setting themselves up as lightning rods for the more unrestrained version of the way we react to theists, here in R&S. Just in the same manner as Dawkins doesn't get much science done, these days, because he's doing debates and book tours, whatever research these volunteers are doing may get forestalled by social media bombardment.
On the whole, its safer to quote dead theist scientists as they have no ongoing work to be disturbed and cannot subvert watchtower's use of them by piping up and saying that the current state of the world (inter-theistic violence) has made them want to change their mind about that thing they said, years ago.
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Joint prize for discovering cosmic rays.
He died in 1964 and I think it is not unexpected for someone living through an era with two world wars to have held a faith. He was of his era.
Watchtower needs to bring itself up to date and cite scientists who are still alive (with permissions of course) although any willing volunteers will be setting themselves up as lightning rods for the more unrestrained version of the way we react to theists, here in R&S. Just in the same manner as Dawkins doesn't get much science done, these days, because he's doing debates and book tours, whatever research these volunteers are doing may get forestalled by social media bombardment.
On the whole, its safer to quote dead theist scientists as they have no ongoing work to be disturbed and cannot subvert watchtower's use of them by piping up and saying that the current state of the world (inter-theistic violence) has made them want to change their mind about that thing they said, years ago.
Understandably, religion has been rejected by many people of science for its resistance to scientific progress, its dismal record, and its hypocrisy and cruelty. A Professor of microbiology John Postgate points out: “The world’s religions have . . . brought the horrors of human sacrifice, crusades, pogroms and inquisitions. In the modern world this darker side of religion has become dangerous. For unlike science, religion is not neutral.”
Now comparing that with the assumed rationality, objectivity, and discipline of science, Postgate claims that “science has come to occupy the high ground of morality.”
Has it, science really seized the moral high ground? The answer is no. Postgate himself admits that “scientific communities have their share of jealousy, greed, prejudice and envy.” He also adds that “a few scientists have shown themselves capable of murder in the name of research, as happened in Nazi Germany and Japanese prison camps.” And when National Geographic assigned an investigative reporter to find out how a fossil hoax ended up in its pages, the reporter spoke of “a tale of misguided secrecy and misplaced confidence, of rampant egos clashing, self-aggrandizement, wishful thinking, naive assumptions, human error, stubbornness, manipulation, backbiting, lying, [and] corruption.”
Yes, of course, it is science that has given mankind horrific instruments of warfare, such as weapons-grade disease organisms, poison gas, missiles, “smart” bombs, and nuclear bombs.
So if you wonder whether science is about to replace the Bible and dispense belief in God, consider this point: If all the brilliant scientists with their powerful instruments have been able to gain only limited understanding of the natural world, would it be logical to dismiss out of hand the matters that lie beyond the reaches of science to investigate? Quite to the point, at the end of your article on history.
A Encyclopedia Britannica concludes: “After almost 4,000 years of astronomy, the universe is no less strange than it must have seemed to the Babylonians. (Eccl. 3:11)
Now comparing that with the assumed rationality, objectivity, and discipline of science, Postgate claims that “science has come to occupy the high ground of morality.”
Has it, science really seized the moral high ground? The answer is no. Postgate himself admits that “scientific communities have their share of jealousy, greed, prejudice and envy.” He also adds that “a few scientists have shown themselves capable of murder in the name of research, as happened in Nazi Germany and Japanese prison camps.” And when National Geographic assigned an investigative reporter to find out how a fossil hoax ended up in its pages, the reporter spoke of “a tale of misguided secrecy and misplaced confidence, of rampant egos clashing, self-aggrandizement, wishful thinking, naive assumptions, human error, stubbornness, manipulation, backbiting, lying, [and] corruption.”
Yes, of course, it is science that has given mankind horrific instruments of warfare, such as weapons-grade disease organisms, poison gas, missiles, “smart” bombs, and nuclear bombs.
So if you wonder whether science is about to replace the Bible and dispense belief in God, consider this point: If all the brilliant scientists with their powerful instruments have been able to gain only limited understanding of the natural world, would it be logical to dismiss out of hand the matters that lie beyond the reaches of science to investigate? Quite to the point, at the end of your article on history.
A Encyclopedia Britannica concludes: “After almost 4,000 years of astronomy, the universe is no less strange than it must have seemed to the Babylonians. (Eccl. 3:11)
DT@ so! I sometimes C & P simply because it is put better than I could. Don’t you ever watch the news and see what is going on in the world? Do you ever stop and wonder if there could be something big about to happen? You seem to spend so much time on this site its wonder you have time to live! I have seen a lot of pain and suffering, spoken to people of all nationalities and cultures and the overall picture is that the majority of mankind want an end to it all, they want to live in peace and unity, happy and secure. Grow up!!
Hypo; I've only just spotted this thread and see you are using my name in my absence (bad form!);
//That is, we've been ribbing Khandro for relying on the "argument from authority" fallacy."//
The irony in that statement is that the "argument from authority" is itself sourced from the 'authority' of a dubious website favoured by another poster using cut and paste methods no different to any other and even justified by you!
If you think goodlife's scientists are not up to your standards (which appears to mean you don't know of them) I have listed others somewhere recently, which I can't be bothered to search for, and included some of their quotes;
Einstein: example, - "I want to know how God created this world".
Heisenberg:
Planck:
Schroedinger and more, all saying similar things.
Now, return to your website and cut and paste in reasons why I shouldn't say that.
//That is, we've been ribbing Khandro for relying on the "argument from authority" fallacy."//
The irony in that statement is that the "argument from authority" is itself sourced from the 'authority' of a dubious website favoured by another poster using cut and paste methods no different to any other and even justified by you!
If you think goodlife's scientists are not up to your standards (which appears to mean you don't know of them) I have listed others somewhere recently, which I can't be bothered to search for, and included some of their quotes;
Einstein: example, - "I want to know how God created this world".
Heisenberg:
Planck:
Schroedinger and more, all saying similar things.
Now, return to your website and cut and paste in reasons why I shouldn't say that.
as to my site usage, 1. that is no concern of yours at all 2. I have probably travelled and experienced far far more than you across deifferent cultures and religions and 3. for info, if you actually look at my usage it is now just GMEB and the occasional foray, such as this. Get the mirror out and look at yourself or do JWs ban the use of mirrors as being too personally attached?
Ratter@ Why do you have to make such silly and nonsensical remarks?
DT@ I have no need to throw insults, you do plenty for all of us. If you have travelled as much as I have , seen as much as I have, then you obviously have not learnt very much. I am not particularly bothered how long you are on line! As for growing up, I think you need to look in the mirror, the language you use at times is not what I would expect from such an “educated” person.
DT@ I have no need to throw insults, you do plenty for all of us. If you have travelled as much as I have , seen as much as I have, then you obviously have not learnt very much. I am not particularly bothered how long you are on line! As for growing up, I think you need to look in the mirror, the language you use at times is not what I would expect from such an “educated” person.
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