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Theland | 01:56 Thu 21st Jul 2016 | Religion & Spirituality
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Do you stand up or even FIGHT for your beliefs?
A person of conviction?
(Not a convicted person though)
Religion? Anti-religion? Militant atheism? Racism? Sexism? Anyism?
How far would you go to assert your views on the wider community?
(Community? Oh God I hate that word)
(Commyoooooniteee Leaders! Yuck!)
Or politics? Do your standards of morality colour your politics, in the sense that for example, you,want to keep all immigrants out, or take in all comers?
And who would you listen to carefully with a view to modifying your opinions?
I bet I get ragged for this. Never mind.
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Do you think theses two people (in the link below) deserved to be jailed for their non-violent crime at a Mosque, when nothing happens to the many Muslims in this Country, who have caused upheaval on our streets, burnt our flag, attacking & abusing young women, allowed their Shari Law, refuse to mix in our Society, even though being housed, claiming benefits & free healthcare, and the list goes on.

Answer me your views, Theland please.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-36846555?SThisFB
When I share my beliefs, it is with those who I suspect might be capable of challenging them. I certainly don't present a belief in the hope of obtaining mindless agreement.

It is not beliefs but rather our essential human rights that are worth defending, whenever, wherever and by whomever they come under attack. Then again, what one believes to be a 'right' should be open to question and one should be prepared to defend them on rational grounds when so challenged.
Why would any sane person want to "assert their views on the wider community"? What makes any one person feel they have the right to do that?
And what have "standards of morality" got to do with accepting immigrants?
If you explain your thinking process a bit more clearly it would be easier to respond to your questions.
Yes, I would stand up for my beliefs if need be. However I don't see the necessity to plaster them all over the internet. Sites like this are just not the place for it, as it usually just deteriorates into a slanging match.
I will certainly share my beliefs with anyone who wants to share theirs.

One of my beliefs is that being militant is the resort of those who cannot argue a rational case. It is way fascists tend to be militant.
It depends what you mean by phrases like 'stand up' and 'fight'.

As anyone other than a casual observer here on the AB will know that I enjoy a rigorous debate and exchange of views, but I don't know if I would call that 'standing up' or 'fighting' - I think of it more as an exchange of opinions - which sometimes influence and indeed change my own thinking quite dramatically, which is always interesting.

But really, it depends on time, place and company as to how much of a discussion or exchange I would wish, or be able to get into.
One of the most famous pieces of counsel in the Bible is the so-called Golden Rule: “All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must likewise do to them.” (Matthew 7:12)

If mankind followed this rule, the world would clearly be a better place. But even if humans in general do not follow the rule, it is better for you individually to do so. Why? Because we were made to care for others and be concerned about them. (Acts 20:35)
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The two men in the link were wrong and offensive. But I can well understand why they did it. The jihadi islamofascists are the elephant in the room and untouchable by cowardly politicians who are all so politically correct and afraid of being labelled racist.
Read Melanie Philips' book, "Londonistan," for an excellent analysis of the sorry state of our country regarding Islam.
Cited as a religion of peace, Islam is anything but, as the web site TROP, (The Religion Of Peace), will illustrate.
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Mibs, don't you get frustrated by those who frustrate our society by constantly demanding that we respect THEIR yoomin rights, to the detriment of us all?
Eg, Abu Quatada, Abu Hamza, Anjem Choudery?
Thank you everybody for your responses.
I will TRY to answer the various points but I am no arty farty scholar, just an Internet chatter, so please don't get angry if you think I am being evasive.
I have long come to the realisation that, given the variety of conflicting beliefs people are willing to fight for, the inescapable conclusion is that most people must be wrong. However it does not automatically follow that no one can be right. When reality plays out and the dust settles, it is with such individuals I would hope to be found standing.
Ok, one last attempt to engage with you before I write you off as incapable of debate...

"Do you stand up or even FIGHT for your beliefs?
A person of conviction?
(Not a convicted person though)"

Yes I do when I think injustice is being done but that might include "a convicted person" if I feel injustice is being done.

"How far would you go to assert your views on the wider community?
(Community? Oh God I hate that word)"

I would announce (not "assert") my views wherever I felt it should be announced, to (not "on") pertinent folks in pertinent forums. I'd sign petitions if I felt it necessary.
Why do you hate the word "community", aren't your god-bothering brethren a "community"?

"Or politics? Do your standards of morality colour your politics, in the sense that for example, you,want to keep all immigrants out, or take in all comers?"

AFAIC "morality" and politics cross over and now this is at least a second time you have brought up the subject of immigrants within "Religion And Spirituality" and it makes me wonder if you are playing some sort of game here, especially as you seem to refuse to engage unless the interaction is somewhat simplistic. My answer here is: as you xians say "love thy neighbour".

"And who would you listen to carefully with a view to modifying your opinions?"
Simple: those who I consider wise, trustworthy and experienced in life.

"I bet I get ragged for this. Never mind"

Well, it does look a bit convoluted and misplaced so what would you expect?







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Yes we xians are to turn the other cheek and welcome all comers etc etc. Supposed? Well I cannot get away from my human side, and find it difficult to not retaliate when affronted.
If I lived in the 1930's I would have campaigned to have the Jews escaping from Germany to be allowed to stay here.
But now in 2016? Yes we should allow in refugees fleeing from an unsafe country or conflict, but not from safe countries, ie, Turkey or the EU. Britain should be compassionate but not stupid.
My life as a protester standing up for a cause has been limited to being a shop steward, and active in a pay dispute/strike. Representing people against employers, writing letters on behalf of those engaged in disputes, petitioning the authorities on local issues, and letters to politicians etc. Took part in the anti Thatcher marches in the 80's, as well as the fight to prevent the closure of our local sugar refinery and loss of 1700 jobs.
Tried where I may to express my beliefs in various forms, as and when the opportunity arises.
I hope this goes some way to satisfying you.
I was not looking for satisfaction, but thank you for responding at last. It looks as if we agree on quite a lot of things here.
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I fear for my kids and grandkids growing up in a country threatened by islam
All those who support any of the Abrahamic religions and their nonsense about "prophets" spouting "the word of God" contribute to the problem of religious violence by affording credence to the hateful tenets of the "holy" books.

The world will not know peace while these religions persist.
"I fear for my kids and grandkids growing up in a country threatened by islam".
It's not "threatened by Islam" maybe you need to unsubscribe from the Daily Mail.
Ah, another piece of expertise:

It's not "threatened by Islam" maybe you need to unsubscribe from the Daily Mail.

Do you know anything about Islam (PC chip implant aside), or indeed any other religion, AnswerPrancer?
So you removed your PC chip and asked this? Great!
You should know then how many people's views are coloured by the influence of the Daily Mail, what I "know" about religion is based on real events and not media influence. Let me hear *your* "expertise" then vetuste_ennemi (I eagerly await your wisdom).
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I was going to post something facetious, to the effect that, for a religion of peace, it is curious how much land it (sorry, its adherents, variously loose or tight) conquered (as far as the gates of Vienna etc.) but, today I learned that Jerusalem fell to the Babylonians, before Islam existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(587_BC)

Obviously, peaceful conversion is different from military conquest but, once you've fallen under control of the priest figure and they instruct the congregation to submit to the authority of the Caliph (resident in some, possibly remote, country) then you are just as surely conquered as if troops had marched in and taken control.

Your taxes go to the Caliph and, if you are very lucky, he might decide to built a facility (largely for his benefit, obvs) in your country. Other than that, you'll have to have a whip-round if you want to advance your countries infrastructure and assets any further. If the Caliph's henchmen see it as a threat to their income stream or hegemony and smash it up, then that's just tough.

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Look around the world at Muslim countries and even Muslim communities in non Muslim countries.
Would you really want that rubbish for us?

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