God Did It . . . Or Did He?

[mibn2cweus]

Religion tells us that God did it. Science shows us how and in the process the hand of God is no where to be seen.

Here we go with another YouTube video but one I hope one some others (as I did) will find worthy of the time invested in watching.

[Old_Geezer]

One hour twenty two minutes ?
So does he explain where maths comes from ?

[mibn2cweus]

As I suggested in a previous thread, maths evolved out of the our propensity to observe relationships and measure things, originally on human scales.

I wont attempt to do justice to the video by summarising it in my own words, but for one thing it is about how through our curiosity and ingenuity we can begin to gain some knowledge of how the universe works above and beyond attributing everything to the whims of a creator simply commanding everything into existence.

[mibn2cweus]

...an alleged creator...

[mibn2cweus]

Of course if the first few minutes of the video do not capture your attention you are in no way obligated to continue.

[Old_Geezer]

Maths may be discovered and found useful, but IMO maths clearly exists anyway, it doesn't evolve. Maybe when I've time, but I don't watch Theland's lengthy videos so the same justification should be used here.

[Tashi]

An 82 minute video, life is too short!

[Atheist]

Tash, do you think that god did it?

[Tashi]

Frankly my dear!!!!

[DTCwordfan]

Pythagoras had it spot on - at least he went around three sides of a triangle and cut the bull out - a2+b2=c2

[Tilly2]

Tashi, you sound more like Baldric every day. Isn't that one of his favourite sayings?

[Tilly2]

Pythagoras cracked it, DTC. No messing about.

[douglas9401]

Wrong phone?

[Atheist]

Tash, you aren't interested in how it all came about? Good on you, there's better things to worry about.

[DTCwordfan]

Must have been a Weegie number, Douglas, these blasted Southern Upperland telemarketers...inc God if he was on the line.

[mibn2cweus]

//Maths may be discovered and found useful, but IMO maths clearly exists anyway, it doesn't evolve. Maybe when I've time, but I don't watch Theland's lengthy videos so the same justification should be used here.//

Wow, so I've achieved status with Theland . . . hurray!

Anyway, I confess I'm not a mathstician but I regard maths as a methodology, much like co-evolvoled science.

[Theland]

I am familiar with Krausse, his Achilles heel is that that there was a pre existing something rather than nothing like Hawnking, gravity or virtual particles.
Both have been blown away.
The hand of God was nowhere to be seen? Really?
The hidden hand of God. Hidden.
As atheists you comfort yourselves in the apparent knowledge that God does not exist.
You haven't looked hard enough.
Enjoy this life.
It is all you have got.

[mibn2cweus]

//Tash, you aren't interested in how it all came about? Good on you, there's better things to worry about.//

When I have better things to do I certain wouldn't waste my time posting in R&S . . . watching this video being one of them.

[Theland]

Mibs - like me you are travelling a road, the road is finite and running out. Enjoy the journey, which will end.

[Zacs-Master]

End? I thought death was just the beginning for you believers?

[jourdain2]

OK. I rather agree with Theland here. Maths has explained a lot of the workings of the universe etc., but it doesn't explain an awful lot of the rest of life. I don't immerse myself with abstruse theories; I tend to get on with life and try to give a good example - so I can't quote people and get involved with that side of things. Simple faith, that's me. But isn't it simply that maths and science explain how God did it all; which makes him/her/it /aka the supreme mathematical scientist the ultimate creator? This, I feel, can never been known and has to remain an article of faith.

Hmm.... re-read this, it makes sense to me, but I'll understand if others think it doesn't.