Atheism, Agnosticism, Belief.

[Theland]

Nine and a half minutes. Very interesting.
Presented by Dinesh D'Souza, featuring Neo de Grasses Tyson.

https://youtu.be/jYi7yHeKBEI

[pixie374]

Last part^ to theland, sorry. Not mozz.

[naomi24]

I think Theland means crossing two entirely different species - elephants and giraffes for example. Tigrons and ligers are from the same family - cats. Donkeys and zebras from the horse family - but I still don’t think the bible has given us a wonderful revelation.

[pixie374]

Tigers and lions are two entirely different species, which can make a new one. Theland, I believe, was using it to suggest against macro evolution, but it doesn't.

[naomi24]

But each belonging to the cat family.

From the internet: //Macroevolution refers to evolution of groups larger than an individual species. //

[pixie374]

Thank you. But again, we are just going back to how we ourselves choose to classify them.

[naomi24]

I didn't choose to classify them as such. That's what they are.

[pixie374]

I meant humans did, rather than you personally :-). If we (generally) put animals into different categories, purely because they "can't" breed with each other. How does that disprove evolution? Which is the point theland is making.
Not being able to breed an elephant with a giraffe, doesn't disprove we can't make new species, who go on to breed and become more and more different from the original, until we reclassify them.
I'm still interested in theland's views on human evolution as well.

[naomi24]

I don't think it does disprove evolution.

[pixie374]

Me neither. That's why I'm asking theland why he claims it does.

[Theland]

Of course it disproves evolution, as evolution claims that one species can morph into another over time.
It can't.

[pixie374]

It does and has though. Ligers? Mules? Humans?

[pixie374]

Also, bearing in mind, that "we" choose whether we call something a different species, or not.

[naomi24]

Why do you say it can't, Theland? Because you think it can't?

[Theland]

Because there is no evidence for it.

[pixie374]

Theland, meet a mule. That's evidence.

[SparklyKid]

I am sure I saw a documentary where a species of bird developed different beaks for catching their food.

Evolution is not a theory, it is a fact.

[SparklyKid]

I have also seen a programme where snakes still have remnants of legs from when they evolved from reptiles.

[Theland]

Sorry sparkly that's not evidence

[pixie374]

It is, theland. How about my suggestions? You aren't responding to mules etc. ?

[SparklyKid]

Of course it is evidence, what else could it be.