Can Any Of The Ab Bible Quoters Help Me?

[Atheist]

I have a vague memory of Biblical quotes wherein Jehovah exhorts his chosen people to smite the Midianites and to destroy them and their cattle and their children and to spare only the women who please them so that they may do with them as they see fit.
I hope my memory is playing me false. Perhaps someone with more Biblical knowledge can put me right?

[Theland]

If it is Gods will to wipe out a whole tribe of people who do not meet His standard, who are you or I to question Him?
And if we don't meet His standard, what message is in there for us?

[Atheist]

02:28 Theland
People who condone evil by saying it is god's will are in my eyes evil themselves, be they Christian, Muslim or downright weirdos.

[naomi24]

Theland, //And if we don't meet His standard, what message is in there for us?

Don’t attempt to align me with your selfish mindset, Theland. Your God’s foul standards might be yours but they’re certainly not mine. Anyone who commits wholesale slaughter for the chance to massage their own ego - which is what your God did - or attempts to save themselves by sycophantically condoning despicable atrocities - which is what you’re doing - needs to re-examine their scant principles and urgently. You’re welcome to your psychopathic God and he to you.

[Theland]

I certainly don't condone evil.
Why should I?
Why would I?
As for sycophantically condoning evil, no!
I suspect a barb on your comments Naomi.
God is the author and arbiter of morality.
The consequences of breaking His rules are made plain, and I can do no more than know that God always does what is right, even if in the short term we may never see it, but need to trust Him.
(As an aside, ask yourself, what exactly was God punishing these tribes for?)

[Theland]

Addendum - How do you figure out that I have a selfish mindset?
That puzzles me, and hurts.

[Khandro]

jno at 20:22 is spot on. The intention of this thread appears to be no more than a pathetic attempt to try to show how wicked are some of God's pronouncements as written in the Old Testament, & how smart Atheist is in pointing it out to us.

[Atheist]

Khandro; You accuse me of "a pathetic attempt to try to show how wicked are some of God's pronouncements as written in the Old Testament". I do feel that the OT (written by men) does portray some awful sentiments. I do not, however, think that I am particularly smart. If you think I am showing off how smart I am, then please explain and I'll apologise. If you think that some of God's pronouncements as written in the OT are not wicked, then perhaps you could explain your position regarding exhortations to smite and massacre and only spare virgins who you fancy?

[nailit]

If anyone were to read the Old Testament, without any preconceived idea's, they could not help but to read it as the work of a demon.
Slaughter, genocide, slavery, unjust laws, misogony, child abuse, female abuse, animal abuse, stoning, killing galore, war, hatred, etc etc.

Believers, however, will justify it, and side step it, in whatever way they can,
Its allegorical,
God had to build a nation,
It doesnt mean what it says,
Stop cherry picking
etc...

Its sick, full stop.
You might pretend to place your morality on it
(you dont really)
But I for one, definetly dont...

[nailit]

//If it is Gods will to wipe out a whole tribe of people who do not meet His standard, who are you or I to question Him?//
Who are you not to?
Why cower?
Both you, me and the majority of Human Beings know that its immoral to slaughter and put to the sword, babies, infants, kids, women and pregnant women. And hundreds of times the god (demon) of the OT demanded this. (And much more)
Why would you defend such a questionable action?

I question it all the way...

[naomi24]

Theland, //God is the author and arbiter of morality.//

That has to be a joke - but if not, how so? How is genocide moral - ever?

//what exactly was God punishing these tribes for?//

Does it matter? Does anything warrant what he did?

You have a selfish mindset because your sole reason for defending the indefensible is your hope of cheating death. Your religion is all about you.

[naomi24]

Nailit, //If anyone were to read the Old Testament, without any preconceived idea's, they could not help but to read it as the work of a demon.//

Word has it that Randolph Churchill, son of Winston, upon reading rhe bible for the first time chuckled ‘Isn’t God a &h1t’.

[nailit]

New Testament is no better...
From Paul the Apostle (Romans 9)

//Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?"
But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, `Why did you make me like this?'"
Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?//

Leaving aside the fact that a lump of clay is not a sentient being with the potential for suffering, pain, affliction, torment etc
the previous verse talk's about how God raised up Pharoah so that his name might be proclaimed in all of the Earth.

//For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth//

That was after God messed with his ''freewill'' and hardened his heart so that he COULDNT believe.

What a weird belief system!!!
But no one really believes ST Paul anyway.
Everyone tries to figure a way around what he obviously preached.
Do your own homework if you dont believe me ;-)

[nailit]

//Word has it that Randolph Churchill, son of Winston, upon reading rhe bible for the first time chuckled ‘Isn’t God a &h1t’.//

couldnt have put it better myself ;-)

[naomi24]

// For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth//

He doesn’t seem to have thought that through. All he needs to do is pop up, introduce himself, and demonstrate that he is who he claims to be … and we’ll all believe him. Perhaps he enjoys the drama of it all.

[nailit]

Honestly dont get how ANYONE can get their morals from 2/3rds of their own holy book and the remaining 3rd (New Testament) is questionable.

[nailit]

//The blood line of the Jewish people had to be preserved at all costs
Some of the violence seems unnecessarily harsh and not all the verses are easy to explain but if the birth of Jesus had been stopped there would be no hope at all for any of Mankind//
Do you ever stop to THINK?

An omnipotent God has to rely on a race?
And he has to preserve that race by violence?
He has to rely on a violent death of his son in order to forgive?
And he has to kill his creation to glorify his name?????

A bit strange dont you think...?

[goodlife]

For true Christian's there is no old or new, Just Hebrew and Greek,
Romans 15:4 says For all the things that were written be forehand were written for our "instruction" so that through our endurance and through the comfort from the scriptures we might have hope.

Now for doing God's will, the greatest exponent of the written Word of God, is about Jesus Christ, In doing the will God
On three different occasions he was tempted by Satan the Devil, the adversary of both God and man, and he refused to compromise his position with Jehovah, three times rebuking Satan by the use of God’s own Word, saying, “It is written.” (Matt. 4:1-11)
Most people have some good qualities. And those who do not worship Jehovah may not always do bad things. Does this mean that they are good associations? Well, how do they affect your relationship with Jehovah? Do they help you draw closer to God? What is truly important to those people? What do they talk about? Do they mainly talk about fashion, money, gadgets, sex, entertainment, and such things etc ? Are they often critical of others? Do they like to tell dirty jokes? Jesus warned: “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.” (Matthew 12:34)
If you realize that the people you spend time with are harming your relationship with Jehovah, take action! Limit the amount of time you are with them, and if necessary, end the friendship.—Proverbs 13:20.

And for all you on here, you can't do a single thing to change anything but you're quick to judge God.

[naomi24]

Goodlife, //Are they often critical of others?//

Not as critical of others as you are. Eyes and motes …. What a hypocrite.

[goodlife]

The different God will be the judge of that,not you.

[Paigntonian]

Seems to me that the Old Testament, in this regard, describes the cultural norms of the time. Would that people were more enlightened. At the same time people in these islands were lawless savages, often cannibals.