Do You Prefer Fact Or Fiction?

[nailit]

After 55 years on this earth I prefer fact.
As much as it pains me, as much as it upsets me, I prefer facts over faith.
A few weeks ago I was nearly suicidal. Still prefer facts to 'faith'. If I had ended my life then, I would have been dead, end off, no atheist in foxhole here.
Just dont understand this religious preoccupation with living forever....
I honesty just dont get it?
What the hell are you going to to FOREVER?
It would be like watching a game of football that went on forever...there wouldnt be a point,

[nailit]

//You are never going to make an atheist out of me, or anybody with similarly robust beliefs//
And WHY would I want to?
I have religious friends. Its not a problem.
When it becomes a problem is when they insist that the Bible is true and reliable & we cant have a discussion about it, THEN we have a problem!
When they insist that I am some kind of reprobate, THEN we have a problem!
When they say that my loved ones are burning in Hell, THEN we have a problem!
When religious people who claim to be friends, ****off for no reason other than that they claim that they cant be friends any longer because I dont believe as they do then I have a problem.
As it is, I still have religious (& even evangelical) friends.
Glad to have got rid of the self righteous out of my life.
(Also have a lot of non religious friends...thank God!)

[nailit]

//You can nitpick and criticise all you like//
I don't nitpick. Not any more!
(I dont cherry pick either)

[Theland]

Try answering the big questions without God.
You won't get very far.

[nailit]

//You are never going to make an atheist out of me, or anybody with similarly robust beliefs//
Why would we want to?
You are starting with an assumption...that unbelievers want to sway you.
Questioning your views is NOT a way to sway you! It's a way to test your belief according to to your own scriptures (1 Peter 3:16)

[nailit]

//Try answering the big questions without God//
Try answering the *big* questions without Shiva or Allha or Loki or Thor or Osiris.

[Theland]

Yes OK.
Then you acknowledge the existence of a supremely powerful Creator, identity to be decided?

[nailit]

//Then you acknowledge the existence of a supremely powerful Creator, identity to be decide//

Err, nope.
I mearly pointed out the fallacy.

[Theland]

Then how do you think the universe came into existence?

[nailit]

Ive no idea, and neither do you!

[Theland]

Yes I do.
Simple reasoning.
Something or SOMEBODY created it.
We know from experience things don't create themselves.
Nothing can create nothing.
Do you agree?

[youngmafbog]

//We know from experience things don't create themselves.//

Really? You were around 4.5 billion years ago were you?

[Theland]

YGF - don't be silly.
Try a constructive answer.

[youngmafbog]

It is, Earth was created around 4.5 billion years ago whether you like it or not.

Trying to cancel out like that wont work you are no better then modern day snowflakes.

[fcc]

No one knows why we are here,or what happens when we die,so why not just enjoy life while you can.

[Theland]

Never mind the earth, how about the whole universe, 13.7 bn years ago.
How?
Not by itself from nothing!

[mibn2cweus]

Someone not having an answer to your question (at least not the one you're looking for) does not entitle you to insist your own answer has any validity.

[Theland]

Oh really?
How do you think science progresses?
We can evaluate present day conditions and causes, and confidently say that similar conditions in the past were caused by similar events we witness in our present.
That is basic science.
Validity? Think again.

[mibn2cweus]

Refusing to flush doesn't make everything a 'creation'.

[Theland]

You like many atheists fudge the question.
You cannot attempt an answer so riveted you are to your atheism.

[mibn2cweus]

I answered the question on page 3. And unlike some so riveted in their Christianity, I didn't 'fudge' it.