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A discussion instigated by Khandro in 'News' has turned into a debate on religion but is now almost off the front page. If anyone is interested in pursuing this further, since this is a more appropriate place to continue the discussion, a link to the original is here.
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Probably no takers for the video, a pity. I haven't watched it for a couple of years & just did so again. He deals with many of the issues which continually come up on here. Even though it was made in 2014 it presciently also deals with the current 'woke' agenda & how governments are actually aiding Islamic extremism in the mistaken belief they are doing the opposite.
I remember vetuste being very taken with it, referring to it several times.
I remember vetuste being very taken with it, referring to it several times.
True & it's in German with English subtitles - I know it's a challenge & you can leave out the Q.&A, at the end. Also the beauty of you tubes is you can save it & return to where you left off watching in instalments as it were.
Yes I miss him too - I'll send a message from AB to the family at Christmas.
Yes I miss him too - I'll send a message from AB to the family at Christmas.
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//goodlife - // The first human pair chose to follow Satan and became the first converts to the worship of Satan. //
That's the sort of bigoted groundless nonsensical statement that gets Christians a bad name.//
Perhaps you ought to read the Bible more.
The book of Genesis tells us why we are in the situation we are today. It doesn’t matter how much you deny the facts. It is there and if you ever visited the National Museum you will see that there are copies from the earliest manuscripts which confirm the Bible. The Author and the originator of the Bible is also its Preserver. Better people than you have tried to discredit the Book, but as God is its Author, he is the one who caused it to be written and he also ensures it will endure forever.
For example, the ancient tradition that was established by god was that the text should be copied For example the Kings of Israel were to make their own copies of the written law. Additionally, the Levites were responsible for preserving the law and teaching it to the people, Through the centuries scribes meticulously copied these books. A group known as the Masoretes carried on that tradition. The oldest complete manuscript is found in the Leningrad codex which dates from around 1008 CE. I could go on and on .
//goodlife - // The first human pair chose to follow Satan and became the first converts to the worship of Satan. //
That's the sort of bigoted groundless nonsensical statement that gets Christians a bad name.//
Perhaps you ought to read the Bible more.
The book of Genesis tells us why we are in the situation we are today. It doesn’t matter how much you deny the facts. It is there and if you ever visited the National Museum you will see that there are copies from the earliest manuscripts which confirm the Bible. The Author and the originator of the Bible is also its Preserver. Better people than you have tried to discredit the Book, but as God is its Author, he is the one who caused it to be written and he also ensures it will endure forever.
For example, the ancient tradition that was established by god was that the text should be copied For example the Kings of Israel were to make their own copies of the written law. Additionally, the Levites were responsible for preserving the law and teaching it to the people, Through the centuries scribes meticulously copied these books. A group known as the Masoretes carried on that tradition. The oldest complete manuscript is found in the Leningrad codex which dates from around 1008 CE. I could go on and on .
// The first human pair chose to follow Satan and became the first converts to the worship of Satan. //
goodlife, how could the first human pair choose something they had never heard of and didn't even know existed? Your God told them not to go scrumping, he didn't, according to the Bible, mention Satan at that time so how did they come to choose him? Unless of course the serpent discussed it with them and recommended it, yes, that would certainly make more sense.
goodlife, how could the first human pair choose something they had never heard of and didn't even know existed? Your God told them not to go scrumping, he didn't, according to the Bible, mention Satan at that time so how did they come to choose him? Unless of course the serpent discussed it with them and recommended it, yes, that would certainly make more sense.
Goodlife: I agree with you about Genesis, few people really are equipped to understand its enormous implications for humanity, & certainly not the present posters.
Heinrich von Kleist did, & outlined well it in his essay 'On the Marionette Theatre' which pivots around a reference to the third chapter of the book.
You can find it here:
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Heinrich von Kleist did, & outlined well it in his essay 'On the Marionette Theatre' which pivots around a reference to the third chapter of the book.
You can find it here:
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Goodlife: I agree with you about the book of Genesis, few people realyl understand its implications for humanity & certainly none of the present posters.
Heinrich von Kleist did, & outlined it well in his essay, 'On the Marionette Theatre' which pivots around the third chapter. You can find it here;
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Heinrich von Kleist did, & outlined it well in his essay, 'On the Marionette Theatre' which pivots around the third chapter. You can find it here;
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Khandro, I started watching the Abdel-Samad talk last night, but didn't manage to finish it until this afternoon. I still haven't listened to the Q&A though. In case anyone else wants to watch it, Abdel-Samad doesn't begin talking until about 4 minutes in. There is lots of food for thought there, and I'll need to watch it again and again. It's interesting that he prefers the term 'muslimophobia' rather than 'islamophobia' - I feel that, sadly, many people think they are the same. He argues that Islam and Islamism are the same thing, and he also states that not all those in the Arabic world are Islamists (about 51 minutes in). A bit later he speaks of 'believing Muslims' who have 'neutralised the political aspirations of their religion'. What do these 'believing Muslims' believe in? They draw 'spirituality' and 'certain habits' out of their religion - this sounds to me like 'Islam-lite' (as opposed to 'Sharia-lite', which as he later points out, does not exist). The threat from 'Islamic fascists' such as Al-Qaeda, ISIS and the Taliban terrifies me, but that is not to say that we should tar all Muslims with the same brush - Abdel-Samad certainly doesn't. He recognises that there are different interpretations of the Quran (about 33 minutes in). The anti-Muslim rhetoric posted by some on AB is unhelpful - they would do well to watch this. Thank you Khandro.
HTB, I'm pleased you got so much from the video, he made others which you can also find on Google.
He is an astonishingly knowledgeable intellectual, consider also the lecture was done without notes & flowed seamlessly (I think the sips of water helped in keeping up the narrative :0)
Consider he could have given that talk also in Arabic, English, French or even Japanese!
He is an astonishingly knowledgeable intellectual, consider also the lecture was done without notes & flowed seamlessly (I think the sips of water helped in keeping up the narrative :0)
Consider he could have given that talk also in Arabic, English, French or even Japanese!
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