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14:25 Thu 15th Apr 2021 This really s ridiculous. Who constructs a plan which obliges him to pay a ransom to himself? It makes no sense whatsoever.
////know me where in the bible does it say god is jesus- or jesus is god if you look {colossias2.12} {ACT 7.55.56} IF-if ? jesus was god he would he took up his rifle place he would have not stood at the right hand of god he would sat on his loyal throne position ?The Emphasized Bible {Hebrews 12.2}2 Looking away unto our faith’s Princely-leader and perfecter Jesus,—Who in consideration of the joy lying before him Endured a cross, shame despising! And on the right hand of the throne of God hath taken his seat. ? as imperfect people we may not appreciate the perfect arrangement from someone like the creator who is perfect
14:25 Thu 15th Apr 2021 This really s ridiculous. Who constructs a plan which obliges him to pay a ransom to himself? It makes no sense whatsoever.
////know me where in the bible does it say god is jesus- or jesus is god if you look {colossias2.12} {ACT 7.55.56} IF-if ? jesus was god he would he took up his rifle place he would have not stood at the right hand of god he would sat on his loyal throne position ?The Emphasized Bible {Hebrews 12.2}2 Looking away unto our faith’s Princely-leader and perfecter Jesus,—Who in consideration of the joy lying before him Endured a cross, shame despising! And on the right hand of the throne of God hath taken his seat. ? as imperfect people we may not appreciate the perfect arrangement from someone like the creator who is perfect
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NAOM I24 Tue 08th Feb 2022 Obviously Locusts belongs to one of the Christian organisations that don’t believe in the Trinity, OG. I have asked him which sect he belongs to but, as yet, have received no response so it’s not clear where he’s coming from. It would help to know.
// I class myself as a bible student ?? I was brought up in the church- my parents was religious' on sunday afternoons i used to have to go to the church school to learn that religion ? i have been reading the bible since i was a teenager –? as a teenager i found the teachings didn't match the bible's presentation ?? --{ Many of the teachers was ambiguous and they didn't represent the bible???--{for an illustration pointy - do not vary or take sides-- once he has made an announcement {LAW} -they take place so therefore--he has every right as the creator-The important thing is that creation represents God’s labor. The law of God protects rights. It defines both rights and privileges .}??? the church says everybody goes to heaven.{—Acts 2:29--Job 14:13-15 -- Acts 2:34- }The belief that one goes to heaven or hell immediately upon death is totally wrong. David has not ascended into Heaven because he is still dead and buried as Peter said. There's no need to twist his words to fit one's preconceived idea of what happens at death. Acts 2:34 ???
NAOMI24 --Locusts, it’s ridiculous for an omnipotent God who makes the rules and can do exactly as he wishes to require any sort of payment in order to offer human beings salvation … isn’t it? Why would he need to do that? ----
/// Once again you've missed the big point--god cannot lie - and what he says goes forth- Titus 1:2 -
In hope of eternal life , THE God, who never lies, promised before the ages began --god does not change from one day to the other god's law stands forever --but the word of the Lord stands forever." And this is the word that was proclaimed to you. Numbers 23:19 -- God is not a man, that He should lie, son of man,- that He should change His mind. Does He speak and not act? Does He promise and not fulfill ? ?Before the day Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, they had not yet sinned, and thus were not as yet subject to the automatic death penalty. But as soon as they ate the fruit, they sinned—they broke God's law. God's automatic death penalty immediately kicked in. (Genesis 2:17)?
// I class myself as a bible student ?? I was brought up in the church- my parents was religious' on sunday afternoons i used to have to go to the church school to learn that religion ? i have been reading the bible since i was a teenager –? as a teenager i found the teachings didn't match the bible's presentation ?? --{ Many of the teachers was ambiguous and they didn't represent the bible???--{for an illustration pointy - do not vary or take sides-- once he has made an announcement {LAW} -they take place so therefore--he has every right as the creator-The important thing is that creation represents God’s labor. The law of God protects rights. It defines both rights and privileges .}??? the church says everybody goes to heaven.{—Acts 2:29--Job 14:13-15 -- Acts 2:34- }The belief that one goes to heaven or hell immediately upon death is totally wrong. David has not ascended into Heaven because he is still dead and buried as Peter said. There's no need to twist his words to fit one's preconceived idea of what happens at death. Acts 2:34 ???
NAOMI24 --Locusts, it’s ridiculous for an omnipotent God who makes the rules and can do exactly as he wishes to require any sort of payment in order to offer human beings salvation … isn’t it? Why would he need to do that? ----
/// Once again you've missed the big point--god cannot lie - and what he says goes forth- Titus 1:2 -
In hope of eternal life , THE God, who never lies, promised before the ages began --god does not change from one day to the other god's law stands forever --but the word of the Lord stands forever." And this is the word that was proclaimed to you. Numbers 23:19 -- God is not a man, that He should lie, son of man,- that He should change His mind. Does He speak and not act? Does He promise and not fulfill ? ?Before the day Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, they had not yet sinned, and thus were not as yet subject to the automatic death penalty. But as soon as they ate the fruit, they sinned—they broke God's law. God's automatic death penalty immediately kicked in. (Genesis 2:17)?
Fiveleaves 13th Feb 2022 God is three in 1, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If you do not believe Jesus is
God you are not a Christian it is as simple as that.
/// IS that statement correct---5 leaves would you answer a question for me please--- IF -IF jesus was god
Matthew 4 11 King James Version Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and
ministered unto him.??? Luke 22:43Then an angel from heaven appeared to him and
strengthened him. ??? on those two occasions angels came to strengthen jesus in is
hour of need ---so if jesus is god why does he need angels to support him or
strengthened him. - He is god or creator and he does not need anyone to support him.???
God you are not a Christian it is as simple as that.
/// IS that statement correct---5 leaves would you answer a question for me please--- IF -IF jesus was god
Matthew 4 11 King James Version Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and
ministered unto him.??? Luke 22:43Then an angel from heaven appeared to him and
strengthened him. ??? on those two occasions angels came to strengthen jesus in is
hour of need ---so if jesus is god why does he need angels to support him or
strengthened him. - He is god or creator and he does not need anyone to support him.???
Locusts, //Once again you've missed the big point--god cannot lie - and what he says goes forth//
Actually you've missed the point. I asked you why an omnipotent God who makes the rules and can do exactly as he wishes requires any sort of payment in order to offer human beings salvation? Lying isn't the issue.
Actually you've missed the point. I asked you why an omnipotent God who makes the rules and can do exactly as he wishes requires any sort of payment in order to offer human beings salvation? Lying isn't the issue.
NAOM 24 Actually you've missed the point .I asked you why an omnipotent God who makes the rules and can do exactly as he wishes requires any sort of payment in order to offer human beings salvation? Lying isn't the issue.
/// you have missed the most important question of all And lying is the issue here???? because what he says he fulfills—if if --does not fulfill his laws then he is a liar so his law must take place and be seen done?
seriously can you rely on a liar or would you-- trust that person--Lying—Is It Ever Justified?
the Bible lists seven things that detests. “A false tongue” and “a false witness that launches forth lies” are prominently included in this list. Why? Because creator hates the harm falsehood causes. That is one reason why Jesus called Satan a liar
/// you have missed the most important question of all And lying is the issue here???? because what he says he fulfills—if if --does not fulfill his laws then he is a liar so his law must take place and be seen done?
seriously can you rely on a liar or would you-- trust that person--Lying—Is It Ever Justified?
the Bible lists seven things that detests. “A false tongue” and “a false witness that launches forth lies” are prominently included in this list. Why? Because creator hates the harm falsehood causes. That is one reason why Jesus called Satan a liar
Naom 24 My question isn’t about lying, locusts. I’ll put it simply. Why did God demand payment in exchange for
salvation
////// PAYING A RANSOM ---because of the willful disobedience of mankind - and the lie of satan--who persuaded eve the woman to eat the fruit and the man--who willfully disobey god's law-anter -Sin and Death entered the human race--adam was a perfect man so it needed another perfect man -- to make a perfect exchange it needed another perfect man to be able to made it validatede -- exchange. So jesus gave up his life in heaven and came two earth as a human in exchange for many this exchange -and came to earth . 1 Timothy 2:5, 6 5 --For there is one God,a and one mediatorb--between God and men,, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all –with out jesus christ there is no mediator and there is no redemptionut.---The action of regaining or gaining possession of something in exchange for payment, or clearing a debt. .
salvation
////// PAYING A RANSOM ---because of the willful disobedience of mankind - and the lie of satan--who persuaded eve the woman to eat the fruit and the man--who willfully disobey god's law-anter -Sin and Death entered the human race--adam was a perfect man so it needed another perfect man -- to make a perfect exchange it needed another perfect man to be able to made it validatede -- exchange. So jesus gave up his life in heaven and came two earth as a human in exchange for many this exchange -and came to earth . 1 Timothy 2:5, 6 5 --For there is one God,a and one mediatorb--between God and men,, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all –with out jesus christ there is no mediator and there is no redemptionut.---The action of regaining or gaining possession of something in exchange for payment, or clearing a debt. .
To answer Locusts (Monday 12.41). Jesus came to earth as 100% Man and 100% God. He lived as a man, getting tired, thirsty and hungry etc but He never gave up being .
Just one example read John ch18 v5-8, When Jesus says "I am He" the arresting party fall to the ground. Why would that be? Because in that second Jesus revealed His divinity and no one is able to stand in front of God
Just one example read John ch18 v5-8, When Jesus says "I am He" the arresting party fall to the ground. Why would that be? Because in that second Jesus revealed His divinity and no one is able to stand in front of God
Fiveleaves Tue 15th Feb 2022 Just one example read John ch18 v5-8, When Jesus says "I am He" the arresting party fall to the ground. Why would that be? Because in that second Jesus revealed His divinity and no one is able to stand in front of God
////thank you very much for that quotation--John ch18 v5-8,---17-19---But. but why didn't you finish the quotation but he goes on from. v. 17 to say that jesus --John 5 - 7 But he answered them—My Father until even now is working; And I am working.
The Emphasized Bible 18 On this account therefore the rather were the Jews seeking to slay him,—because not only was he breaking the Sabbath but was calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus therefore answered, and went on to say unto them—Verily, verily I say unto you: The Son cannot be doing of himself a single thing,—Save anything he may see the Father doing; For whatsoever he may be doing These things the Son also in like manner doeth.---Mark 5 – 7 Then he cried out with a loud voice: “What have I to do with you, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I put you under oath by God not to torment me --Mark 1 - 24 What have we to do with you, Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ?+ Did you come to destroy us ? I know exactly who you are, the Holy One of God ! Matthew 8 -29 And look! they screamed, saying: “What have we to do with you, Son of God? -Did you come here to torment us..
////thank you very much for that quotation--John ch18 v5-8,---17-19---But. but why didn't you finish the quotation but he goes on from. v. 17 to say that jesus --John 5 - 7 But he answered them—My Father until even now is working; And I am working.
The Emphasized Bible 18 On this account therefore the rather were the Jews seeking to slay him,—because not only was he breaking the Sabbath but was calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Jesus therefore answered, and went on to say unto them—Verily, verily I say unto you: The Son cannot be doing of himself a single thing,—Save anything he may see the Father doing; For whatsoever he may be doing These things the Son also in like manner doeth.---Mark 5 – 7 Then he cried out with a loud voice: “What have I to do with you, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I put you under oath by God not to torment me --Mark 1 - 24 What have we to do with you, Jesus the Naz·a·reneʹ?+ Did you come to destroy us ? I know exactly who you are, the Holy One of God ! Matthew 8 -29 And look! they screamed, saying: “What have we to do with you, Son of God? -Did you come here to torment us..
Fiveleaves, //Why would that be? Because in that second Jesus revealed His divinity and no one is able to stand in front of God//
And yet they were all able to stand before him both before and after the event. These stories are just that - stories - similar to the one that tells of the dead rising from their graves and roaming the city - an unprecedented event that strangely no one in authority thought to record.
Atheist, //… took him off to be convicted by the mob and crucified by the Romans.//
Another story that history doesn’t substantiate. Jesus wasn't convicted by the mob - only days before his arrest the people were lauding him - and the myth of one prisoner of the people's choice being released is just that. A myth. There was no such tradition. The gospels were written long after the event, and the anonymous authors, in order to promote Christianity, went to great lengths to demonise the Jews - and that has been the source of much of their struggle ever since. The fact is - and I do believe it's a fact - Jesus was convicted by the Romans on a charge of insurrection. He was a patriot and a rebel - one of many - and, as such, a threat to the fragile political stability of the area. Incidentally, I think he was rescued from the cross alive.
Locusts, //to make a perfect exchange it needed another perfect man to be able to made it validatede//
Nonsense. An omnipotent God can do whatever he wants to do. He doesn't 'need' anything. I seriously don't understand anyone who is happy to condone such a cruel and bloodthirsty notion. If that's what that God demanded, he was indeed a monster.
Which church did your parents belong to, Locusts?
And yet they were all able to stand before him both before and after the event. These stories are just that - stories - similar to the one that tells of the dead rising from their graves and roaming the city - an unprecedented event that strangely no one in authority thought to record.
Atheist, //… took him off to be convicted by the mob and crucified by the Romans.//
Another story that history doesn’t substantiate. Jesus wasn't convicted by the mob - only days before his arrest the people were lauding him - and the myth of one prisoner of the people's choice being released is just that. A myth. There was no such tradition. The gospels were written long after the event, and the anonymous authors, in order to promote Christianity, went to great lengths to demonise the Jews - and that has been the source of much of their struggle ever since. The fact is - and I do believe it's a fact - Jesus was convicted by the Romans on a charge of insurrection. He was a patriot and a rebel - one of many - and, as such, a threat to the fragile political stability of the area. Incidentally, I think he was rescued from the cross alive.
Locusts, //to make a perfect exchange it needed another perfect man to be able to made it validatede//
Nonsense. An omnipotent God can do whatever he wants to do. He doesn't 'need' anything. I seriously don't understand anyone who is happy to condone such a cruel and bloodthirsty notion. If that's what that God demanded, he was indeed a monster.
Which church did your parents belong to, Locusts?
NAOMI24 -. An omnipotent God can do whatever he wants to do. He doesn't 'need' anything. I seriously don't understand anyone who is happy to condone such a cruel and bloodthirsty notion. If that's what that God demanded, he was indeed a monster.
Which church did your parents belong to, Locusts? you would call it the church of england
//ARE YOU -sure - Nonsense-- An omnipotent God--was indeed a monster-=cruel .
///// - Only look at from your inferior human standard point-- You forget there were myriads and myriads of angels {superior to humans} in the heavens- Job 2 --When they entered the courtyard of the creator in the case of JOB - THEY was watching on ?????--
The Emphasized Bible --And there came a certain day when the sons of God entered IN, to present themselves
unto Yahweh -- job 2 .3 And Yahweh said unto the accuser, --Now we can see the Accuser -Satan the devil is a liar and he has proved himself a liar in many - many of the scriptures---But the bigger picture still stands--and god's law is perfect in every way and he shows this through with his loyal Angels.who have kept their proper place in the heavens under the true GOD.----So there was a legal president case taking place in the case of job- And the creator knew that job would not disappoint him..and he would prove his case to his loyal subjects that his word would not fail and his truth would continue ??? --with this court case you can see that court case you can see that the angels-- could study the results for themselves and report their findings--- this will show-that he is willing to share his thoughts with others and to get their opinion..???? He is not cruel or a monster- that many make him out to be--the scripture says he is love--This is just one of the illustrations of god's love towards mankind ??? there is a legal president in this case and you are missing the final points --The law is at state and his {GOD.S} owner
Which church did your parents belong to, Locusts? you would call it the church of england
//ARE YOU -sure - Nonsense-- An omnipotent God--was indeed a monster-=cruel .
///// - Only look at from your inferior human standard point-- You forget there were myriads and myriads of angels {superior to humans} in the heavens- Job 2 --When they entered the courtyard of the creator in the case of JOB - THEY was watching on ?????--
The Emphasized Bible --And there came a certain day when the sons of God entered IN, to present themselves
unto Yahweh -- job 2 .3 And Yahweh said unto the accuser, --Now we can see the Accuser -Satan the devil is a liar and he has proved himself a liar in many - many of the scriptures---But the bigger picture still stands--and god's law is perfect in every way and he shows this through with his loyal Angels.who have kept their proper place in the heavens under the true GOD.----So there was a legal president case taking place in the case of job- And the creator knew that job would not disappoint him..and he would prove his case to his loyal subjects that his word would not fail and his truth would continue ??? --with this court case you can see that court case you can see that the angels-- could study the results for themselves and report their findings--- this will show-that he is willing to share his thoughts with others and to get their opinion..???? He is not cruel or a monster- that many make him out to be--the scripture says he is love--This is just one of the illustrations of god's love towards mankind ??? there is a legal president in this case and you are missing the final points --The law is at state and his {GOD.S} owner
Locusts, copying and pasting huge chunks from the bible and elsewhere does nothing to support your argument. Like other people of religion, you plaster your posts with biblical text as if that somehow provides proof but it is not proof and it is not evidence. It is simply other men's thoughts.
You read the bible and search for what you want to see - and if you don’t see it you imagine it's there - whereas I simply read what really is there. For example you say Adam was the perfect man - but the bible doesn’t say that - and he wasn't. He succumbed to temptation. Similarly you tell me God is perfect - but he wasn't. He made mistakes and he was cruel. Very cruel.
Perhaps if you want to discuss religion you could try doing it in your own words?
You read the bible and search for what you want to see - and if you don’t see it you imagine it's there - whereas I simply read what really is there. For example you say Adam was the perfect man - but the bible doesn’t say that - and he wasn't. He succumbed to temptation. Similarly you tell me God is perfect - but he wasn't. He made mistakes and he was cruel. Very cruel.
Perhaps if you want to discuss religion you could try doing it in your own words?
NAOMI24 Perhaps if you want to discuss religion you could try doing it in your own words?
//// i've told you over and over again the bible is my authority --And the quotations are used are faithful and true- if i did not believe this then i would be wasting my time - - trying - to help them to return to their god on my god ?? Without this diary from the great creator giving us instructions how to live our lives and to look forward to a prospect of a--linoah told them about the rainfe in a paradise condition without wars and destruction - diseases -which are plaguing man today -you are like the people of noah's day--they have never seen rain before ?but the rain did come and wash them all away--so this diary is a warning for us today and there are days coming shortly to wash away all those who are-who do not believe in a creator of the universe/that all for now folks
//// i've told you over and over again the bible is my authority --And the quotations are used are faithful and true- if i did not believe this then i would be wasting my time - - trying - to help them to return to their god on my god ?? Without this diary from the great creator giving us instructions how to live our lives and to look forward to a prospect of a--linoah told them about the rainfe in a paradise condition without wars and destruction - diseases -which are plaguing man today -you are like the people of noah's day--they have never seen rain before ?but the rain did come and wash them all away--so this diary is a warning for us today and there are days coming shortly to wash away all those who are-who do not believe in a creator of the universe/that all for now folks
// My understanding of the claim is that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all God. Is that not so ?//
yeah if you are a Christian
and yes Naomi is correct there is no statement that "there is a threefold god - you proles - no capeeshy and no heavenny OK?"
big thing in the fourth century as you godless lot were taught in skool
"wasnt said in the gospel so isnt true"
yeah credit cards and caffe nero arent in the Bible so they dont exist either
but rubber bands were - christ tied his ass to a tree and walked into Jerusalem
that kinds of discussion - turn off brayne or leave at door
yeah if you are a Christian
and yes Naomi is correct there is no statement that "there is a threefold god - you proles - no capeeshy and no heavenny OK?"
big thing in the fourth century as you godless lot were taught in skool
"wasnt said in the gospel so isnt true"
yeah credit cards and caffe nero arent in the Bible so they dont exist either
but rubber bands were - christ tied his ass to a tree and walked into Jerusalem
that kinds of discussion - turn off brayne or leave at door
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