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Life, As Outlined By The Bishop Of Atheism
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"In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.”
― Richard Dawkins.
― Richard Dawkins.
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Fiveleaves - Why are you 'insulted' - it's not your design that people are attributing otherwise than you believe they should.
As fir anything natural looking as though it was 'deigned' to look like that, of course it was.
It's called evolution.
Everything we see carries the optimum development of anything and everything that has allowed it to thrive and survive.
It's reached us after millions if not billions of years of retaining aspects that are of benefit, and losing those which are not.
So what you see is the 'finished product' which has changed where and when needed, to survive from then until now.
That may be almost no change, like the cockroach which us as perfect an example of survival as you can find, with almost no change, to the humming bird, which has changed for times beyond measure.
So don't be 'insulted', just appreciate the miracle of nature that changes it creatures as much or as little as it needs, for them to be around for you to admire on your nice walks.
As fir anything natural looking as though it was 'deigned' to look like that, of course it was.
It's called evolution.
Everything we see carries the optimum development of anything and everything that has allowed it to thrive and survive.
It's reached us after millions if not billions of years of retaining aspects that are of benefit, and losing those which are not.
So what you see is the 'finished product' which has changed where and when needed, to survive from then until now.
That may be almost no change, like the cockroach which us as perfect an example of survival as you can find, with almost no change, to the humming bird, which has changed for times beyond measure.
So don't be 'insulted', just appreciate the miracle of nature that changes it creatures as much or as little as it needs, for them to be around for you to admire on your nice walks.
\\ I would give fiveleaves the BA at 15:37, but I can't quite accept the last sentence.//
Well, at least we have that in common. Why would God, who has, according to the Bible, literally created everything, need to be continually told he's wonderful and then created beings designed for that specific purpose? This alone would make God narcissistic, so no longer perfect and you cannot have an imperfect God can you?
Well, at least we have that in common. Why would God, who has, according to the Bible, literally created everything, need to be continually told he's wonderful and then created beings designed for that specific purpose? This alone would make God narcissistic, so no longer perfect and you cannot have an imperfect God can you?
I think (& I'm far from alone) that the universe is incredibly well ordered & finely tuned;
The premise of the fine-tuned universe assertion is that a small change in several of the physical constants would make the universe radically different. As Stephen Hawking has noted, "The laws of science, as we know them at present, contain many fundamental numbers, like the size of the electric charge of the electron and the ratio of the masses of the proton and the electron. ... The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life."
As for humanity, as I've said earlier, you need look no further than the war in Ukraine to witness evil, Bucha springs to mind.
The premise of the fine-tuned universe assertion is that a small change in several of the physical constants would make the universe radically different. As Stephen Hawking has noted, "The laws of science, as we know them at present, contain many fundamental numbers, like the size of the electric charge of the electron and the ratio of the masses of the proton and the electron. ... The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life."
As for humanity, as I've said earlier, you need look no further than the war in Ukraine to witness evil, Bucha springs to mind.
As for 'fine-tuning' if the universe was different then we wouldn't be here to discuss it.
Why couldn't a creator design a better universe where bad stuff didn't happen? Is it morally justifiable to design a universe which is fine-tuned enough to produce 'evil' humans but not 'good' ones? I see no moral lesson to be learned from believing that the universe was created.
Why couldn't a creator design a better universe where bad stuff didn't happen? Is it morally justifiable to design a universe which is fine-tuned enough to produce 'evil' humans but not 'good' ones? I see no moral lesson to be learned from believing that the universe was created.
hahaha as mad as ever
I must record this
fella wiv very young kid - my god your child ( less than one) looks like you! It is all in the books, meant to be like that.
Fella a day later: you said one man described it, who he?
Me - Gregor Mendel - Abbot Brno ( or Brunn) - google Mendel facial features. You will get around 5m hits
Fella - so you are saying Darwin was wrong ?
and I thought of this thread - - - he wasnt so crazy tho
I must record this
fella wiv very young kid - my god your child ( less than one) looks like you! It is all in the books, meant to be like that.
Fella a day later: you said one man described it, who he?
Me - Gregor Mendel - Abbot Brno ( or Brunn) - google Mendel facial features. You will get around 5m hits
Fella - so you are saying Darwin was wrong ?
and I thought of this thread - - - he wasnt so crazy tho
atrocious as the bukha massacre was i do not think the universe took much notice of it, much as the universe did not take much notice of genghis khan's evil deeds or the awful suffering inflicted on people by the ancient assyrians.
these things have meaning to humans alone... without the human conscience they are indeed meaningless.. at least that is how it seems to me
the universe is chaotic and destructive on a scale that human minds cannot really comprehend... galaxies crashing into each other and stars exploding all the time... even the things that look "constant" to us can work differently if you're moving fast enough or if you're small enough...
all of our morality is based fundamentally on being a good human and is therefore innately from a human point of view not that of "the universe".
these things have meaning to humans alone... without the human conscience they are indeed meaningless.. at least that is how it seems to me
the universe is chaotic and destructive on a scale that human minds cannot really comprehend... galaxies crashing into each other and stars exploding all the time... even the things that look "constant" to us can work differently if you're moving fast enough or if you're small enough...
all of our morality is based fundamentally on being a good human and is therefore innately from a human point of view not that of "the universe".
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