God and Jacob

[Sonak]

Can anyone confirm to me if God ever hated Jacob for any reason & if it is stated in the bible? A friend said that this happend but I'm not sure.

I have a Catholic bible, so would it be stated in there & which section would it be in? I am a new Catholic so I would appreciate any info on this, thank you.

[naomi24]

As far as I'm aware, God loved Jacob but hated his brother, Esau. Perhaps you should ask your priest.

[Lonnie]

Thats good advice from naomi,

Read Malachi 1-3.

[Ice.Maiden]

I think the second paragraph down explains in a nutshell that Jacob was chosen by God, and later named Israel, to lead his chosen people.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Jacob-Esau-love-ha te.html

[keyplus90]

There is no point in asking the priest. Or at least ask few from different school of thought. But before all that you must ask the friend who claimed about giving you the proof where he got that from and that would be much easier.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, I'm sure we're all aware of the connection between Esau and Islam, but Sonak is studying Catholicism, and if this is what he wants to do, his priest is the best person to answer his questions.

[Octavius]

Perhaps you are referring to the deception by Jacob on his father Isaac (son of Abraham) by pretending to be Esau (his twin brother) in order to receive Isaac�s blessing (Genesis 27). This was a sin, especially for the grandson of Abraham, and is thought to have attracted the wrath of God.

There are those who say that God punished Jacob by allowing Laban to switch his (veiled) daughters in the marriage ceremony so that he ended up with Leah, rather than the one he loved, Rachel, although he does end up doing the horizontal tango with her (and many others anyway years later) but Rachel could not bear him children (as God had made her barren as a further punishment), whilst Leah churned them out as regular as a Croydon teenager.

In Genesis 32 there is a little tiff with a man (some translations say angel) which results in some injuries, but he is undefeated and asks the being who he calls �face of God� and asks for its blessing. He then declares �I have seen God face to face and live� (Google �Jacob wrestles/struggles with God� for a million hits) and he is given the name �Israel�.

In all it turns out that his brother Essau forgave him. He told Jacob that God had blessed him and he had forgiven Jacob of all his tricks. Jacob built an altar to God in thanks for how He had been faithful to him and his family in guiding them back home. (read Isaiah 27).

I am not sure about �hate�, but it would seem that Jacob the deceiver committed many sins and was punished by God and eventually forgiven by those he deceived and by God.

[Sonak]

Thanks everyone for your time and explanation.

I have read (Genesis 27) and understand that Jacob received a blessing from his father (Isaac) instead of Jacob's brother (Esau) whom was also furious with Jacob because of the lessing and wanted to kill him.

I have also read Malachi 1-3 where the Lord stated he loved Jacob and hated Esau. But was this because of Esau wanting to kill Jacob? Is there anywhere where God thought Jacob was bad because of him taking the blessing instead of Esau has Isaac meant it for Esau?

I'm a bit confused on this as it doesn't really explain why the Lord hated Esau in Malachi 1-3.....

To add I have a Catholic Bible New Revised Edition, are there any other bibles that would tell the story differently i.e for Protestants, Methodists etc or are all bible written the same? Thanks again

[naomi24]

It's very difficult, Sonak, because what you have to bear in mind is that these stories (if indeed remotely true) aren't necessarily accurate. All religious texts, without exception, have been written and altered to suit whatever cause the author supported. If you want to truly investigate religion, then you have to approach it from the outside, but if you want to follow Catholicism, then the best thing you can do is speak to your priest, and put your questions to him. Even though he will give you answers that he believes to be accurate, there is no guarantee that they are, but nevertheless, his answers will give you the Catholic take on it.

[zig.zag]

jacob was always a crafty wotsit

iv'e still got his ladder in my garage cos he's never brought my lawnmower back

[shanx]

awww zig , blame me for that sorry :(

[zig.zag]

meet me on more respectable threads shanx lol x

[Octavius]

Esau, prior to the deceit of birthright by Jacob on Isaac, had swapped his birthright with Jacob for a bowl of stew after coming in from working the field. This was a sin and would have attracted the wrath of God. Of course, it was rather beastly of Jacob to place that condition of trade on a hungry worker, but there you go.

Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. (Hebrews 12:16)