FAO Keyplus

[sherminator]

no baiting no arguments wanted! Just genuinely interested in what your thoughts are on drawing muhammed.

Someone else (who is muslin) has said that it is not forbidden to draw him?

can you let me know your views and if there is a general consensus on what the rules are

thank you

[naomi24]

The only burning effigies I've seen are those burnt by the braying masses of Muslims protesting at the cartoons drawn by the infidel.

[sherminator]

intsead of trolling ankou how about an opinion? You do brilliantly come on here and stoke up the fire but how about telling us what you believe on the subject?

Can I draw Muhammed?

also for some reason I have you down as an athiest? care to reveal your beliefs?

[Ankou]

awww. what a shletered life. kinda cute.

i'm sure mr beckham recalls the aftermath of the 1998 world cup rather more vividly.

[Ankou]

ah sherminator. as an atheist i would say you can draw anything you want to and call it what you like. art is subjective.

[sherminator]

so you disagree with most muslims then?

fair enough
(dont know why i had to feel questioned and you couldnt come out ad say that but fair enough free country an all ho ho ho)

[tweaker]

There's nothing in any Sura's in the Qur'an saying you can't. And Islamic life evolves around the Qur'an.

[Ankou]

sherminator, i disagree with the tendency to turn human judgments into divine commands.

precisely tweaker.

[naomi24]

Sheltered life? Oh do pay attention, Ankou. We're talking about drawing images of Mohammed.

Shermi, see? Art is subjective. Yep. The usual uninformative contibution to the discussion. Ha ha!

[Ankou]

and your contribution noami is just to berate me every 5 minutes.

well done you.

[naomi24]

Ankou, you pick on people here continually, and I detest bullies, so if you can't take it, don't give it.

Now let's get on with the discussion.

Tweaker, this:

//Islamic tradition or Hadith, the stories of the words and actions of Muhammad and his Companions, explicitly prohibits images of Allah, Muhammad and all the major prophets of the Christian and Jewish traditions. //

from here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk...ddle_east/4674864.stm

[tweaker]

Naomi,

Again - seek. Why hang here expecting 'here say' answers?

Find what you've asked.....

[naomi24]

Sorry, Tweaker, I'm not with you. I don't ask for or expect hearsay answers. What do you mean?

[tweaker]

Naomi, you are a bore,

Again - one more thing.

Medinan - 110 - 'HELP' God opens up. You have His forgiveness. He is already to except repentance.

'Find your own way' instead of asking, again, and again, and again, and again.

[naomi24]

Why, thank you Tweaker, how very kind of you to say so - although I have to say that since I've found my way, I'm a little worried by your advice.

[tweaker]

Sorry Naomi, I've had a mixed-up day. Please forgive me.

I'll be in a better mood tomorrow.

Forget 'tweaker' I apologise in my own name. Jake. Sorry.

[keyplus90]

237SJ- Yes it is true that to be a Muslim you have to believe in all of the prophets including Jesus, Moses, David and so on. That is part of the basic faith and you can not be a Muslim if you deny anyone of them.

Sherminator – One thing I could never understand. People talk about freedom of speech. If I deny holocaust or even if I do not agree with the scale of it then I can be arrested in few countries. So what happened to my freedom of speech? Western people want to use freedom to insult a specific person who they have never seen. Muslims are against that. So where do we agree? I believe if someone is so desperate to use his / her freedom of speech then they should not be worried about others using theirs to say that these people should be beheaded. After all they are just using their freedom of speech and are not really beheading anyone. However if few do go on to behead someone then the law of the country should punish him. One who got beheaded should not be disappointed as he died for a reason he /she believed in so desperately and the one who beheaded him/her should not be worried about what punishment he / she would get for murdering someone as in his mind he did what he thought was right.

[sherminator]

Key plus your fiest point is a cotradiction:
'One thing I could never understand. People talk about freedom of speech. If I deny holocaust or even if I do not agree with the scale of it then I can be arrested in few countries. So what happened to my freedom of speech?'
i think you have just used a very poor example there as that country obviously doesnt have freedom of speech and therefore you broke the rules of the land! and therefore should be punished

2nd- I said i dint want an argument with you and I stand by that BUT
the Holocaust is a documented provable offence that to deny could cause GREAT offence to millions of people and although you have free speech in this county it would be unwise to use it in your example.
Then take drawing Muhammed. Like it or not there is not a shred of evidence that Allah was real and that makes people being ruled by the laws of a god that there is no evidence for VERY hard to grasp for a lot of people! Now I can understand if you want to be a Muslim then you must follow the rules( i also dont believe that following a religion should necessarily involve state law) But you cannot expect people of a differing religion, or of no religion to follow those rules as well!

[sherminator]

provable offence

sorry bout that should ave been provable event with evidence!
Have no idea where i got offence from!!!!!

[sherminator]

Also Keyplus what if someone said it WAS his/her religion that they HAD to draw Muhammed every month!! That was part fo their dogma!

Could you possibly take offence at that person for practising their religion?

[naomi24]

Keyplus, //If I deny holocaust or even if I do not agree with the scale of it then I can be arrested in few countries. So what happened to my freedom of speech?//

A flawed argument. Unlike Islam, the countries in which that law applies don't attempt to force it onto the rest of the world, and therefore you can deny the holocaust with impunity in countries where the law doesn't exist. And since you mention it, your denial is rather more than an insult to those who died in the holocaust, and to the survivors. Take a trip to one of the Holocaust Museums and educate yourself. You don't know what you're talking about.

The rest of your post is so disgustingly unsavoury, Keyplus, I don't even want to read it again tonight.