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Horizon - What is Reality?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/...2011_What_Is_Reality/
If those who claim the so called 'paranormal' doesn't exist want food for thought, do please watch it - that is if you can bear to think outside your comfort zone.
If those who claim the so called 'paranormal' doesn't exist want food for thought, do please watch it - that is if you can bear to think outside your comfort zone.
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I find it unsurprising that the people most conspicuous by their absence here are those who have told me over the years that only the deluded, the stupid or the mistaken claim experience of the 'paranormal'. Tucked away safely in their comfort zone? Yes, I think so. LG, before you consider misrepresenting me, or insulting me again, kindly take note.
Due to the limitations to science set by observations which actively interfere with apparently natural processes, some humility is called for, and an admission that the unknowable exists and will remain a mystery to us, answers to the basic questions of reality only approachable by speculation.
On the other hand, claims of God experiences cannot be simply dismissed by science, when science itself is, and always be, the pursuit of forever incomplete knowledge.
You listening Starman?
On the other hand, claims of God experiences cannot be simply dismissed by science, when science itself is, and always be, the pursuit of forever incomplete knowledge.
You listening Starman?
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Birdie - Because of uncertainty recognised by science, and the unkowability of the universes' ultimate reality, and because all of our present knowledge i based on the assumption of existing preconditions for the reality that we do know, then as I inferred earlier, our amazement at what we see should be coupled with some humility, given that what is possible is only bounded by our imaginations.
The spiritual dimension is real for many people, and like QM defies measurement and direct observation, but must be experienced diirectly.
True, many experiences can be dismissed or explained away by current scientific knowledge, but that leaves a great deal unexplained that cannot be picked up by an electron microscope or the LHC.
Some atheists are prepared to say, "We simply don't know," regarding the universes' origin, but are prepared to be emphatically dismissive regarding the spiritual dimension, but this one sided attitude is in defiance of their own scientific method for researching the truth.
Revelation remains a factor of truth, alongside more mundane facts that contribute to knowledge and build up a picture of our ultimate although sometimes speculative reality.
The spiritual dimension is real for many people, and like QM defies measurement and direct observation, but must be experienced diirectly.
True, many experiences can be dismissed or explained away by current scientific knowledge, but that leaves a great deal unexplained that cannot be picked up by an electron microscope or the LHC.
Some atheists are prepared to say, "We simply don't know," regarding the universes' origin, but are prepared to be emphatically dismissive regarding the spiritual dimension, but this one sided attitude is in defiance of their own scientific method for researching the truth.
Revelation remains a factor of truth, alongside more mundane facts that contribute to knowledge and build up a picture of our ultimate although sometimes speculative reality.
“You listening Starman?”
I read you loud and clear Theland, ‘tucked away safely in the comfort zone’ of my own limited understanding, watching with amazement as back stabbers of conscience slip ever deeper into the twilight zone of their own contempt for reason and anyone ‘arrogant’ enough to suggest that they might actually know anything at all, astonished at your seemingly boundless capacity to grasp at straws as sole proof of your ‘humility’.
As I do not have access to the programme material relevant to this discussion I have thus far resisted the temptation to turn this thread on its head. However, I am accumulating quite a pile of dead wood here with which, as per your suggestion, to burn the heretics of reason who remain steadfast in making themselves martyrs to their own fallacious assumptions, self-blinding preconceptions and fore drawn conclusions. So please, keep piling it on Theland. The taller the heap, the higher and brighter the flames.
Apologies to Naomi, don’t wish to throw your thread off track.
I read you loud and clear Theland, ‘tucked away safely in the comfort zone’ of my own limited understanding, watching with amazement as back stabbers of conscience slip ever deeper into the twilight zone of their own contempt for reason and anyone ‘arrogant’ enough to suggest that they might actually know anything at all, astonished at your seemingly boundless capacity to grasp at straws as sole proof of your ‘humility’.
As I do not have access to the programme material relevant to this discussion I have thus far resisted the temptation to turn this thread on its head. However, I am accumulating quite a pile of dead wood here with which, as per your suggestion, to burn the heretics of reason who remain steadfast in making themselves martyrs to their own fallacious assumptions, self-blinding preconceptions and fore drawn conclusions. So please, keep piling it on Theland. The taller the heap, the higher and brighter the flames.
Apologies to Naomi, don’t wish to throw your thread off track.
birdie - I'm pretty sure that I haven't mentioned ghosts or an afterlife at any point in the discussion, let alone assume any connection between the two. - I actually can't be bothered to go back and re-read what I wrote to confirm that - but I'm pretty sure.
What I've said is what I've said - you shouldn't read anything else into it other than what it actually says.
What I've said is what I've said - you shouldn't read anything else into it other than what it actually says.
Birdie, you very clearly haven't read the thread but nevertheless it seems you're another one who's quick to criticise without understanding what's being said. It's becoming a bit of a habit around here lately. Like you, Mr L Gun is quick to criticise unjustly too - however he is not one of the people I'm referring to.
As for your response to Ludwig, again you're jumping to unfounded conclusions. No one has suggested that anything in that programme legitimises the belief in ghosts or in an afterlife or the paranormal, and nor has it been suggested that anything has been 'effectively proven'. The question simply asks whether the contributors here think it might be possible that the phenomena discussed in the programme could be responsible for claims of unexplained occurrences. God! Where do you people get it from?!! Your imaginations are every bit as vivid as those of the religious!
As for your response to Ludwig, again you're jumping to unfounded conclusions. No one has suggested that anything in that programme legitimises the belief in ghosts or in an afterlife or the paranormal, and nor has it been suggested that anything has been 'effectively proven'. The question simply asks whether the contributors here think it might be possible that the phenomena discussed in the programme could be responsible for claims of unexplained occurrences. God! Where do you people get it from?!! Your imaginations are every bit as vivid as those of the religious!
This is for you Starman. A Bonfire Of The Vanities.
The pics are great - can you spot me partying?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9OO7ly4_94
The pics are great - can you spot me partying?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9OO7ly4_94
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