I've Read That Cancer Research Have A Cure For Cancer But Keep It Quiet As They Earn Millions From Donations.

[philkool]

What do others think

[Bathsheba]

It's a long time since I've read such deeply offensive garbage. Shame on you philkool.

[ethandron]

'Wasted on finding a cure' ....you really can't be serious with that statement??
I agree with Baths, shame :(

[philkool]

Thats your opinion Bathsheba i only wanted other peoples feelings on this, Im sorry if anyone got upset about my query.

[sunny-dave]

Without past research into a 'cure' there would *be* no treatment ...

[philkool]

Exactly.

[Bathsheba]

Well you've seen my feelings on it, and you HAVE upset me, but I will accept your apology and now leave this thread.

[sunny-dave]

There is an interesting debate to be had on the level of executive pay in charities - there are some salaries listed for CRUK which seem to me to be out of all proportion for a charity - but overall the salary bill isn't wrong for an organisation of this size.

[hc4361]

I am amazed that some people believe that every person who works for a charity should be a volunteer.
Like other large organisations many jobs are very highly skilled and full time. How on earth could somebody who is worth £100k+ a year work for nothing and why should they be expected to?
How could administration staff who could earn around £18k + work for nothing?
Then there's all the jobs in between that are absolutely essential.

[Mamyalynne]

This urban myth has been running for decades Phil aimed either at the drugs manufacturers or charities,cynical attitude and worrying that people still believe it.


I will say that of course not every charity is run as efficiently as it could be,but one would need to analyse the accounts of each one to determine which those are.

Do that if you have the time.

[woofgang]

What no one has mentioned is that there is no such thing as "cancer" There are many different cancers which attack different parts of the body and as such they will have different "cures" and "treatments"
So philcool....how many do you think that Cancer Research is hushing up?

[Sqad]

LOL.....phil, you have taken a beating there and i feel for you.

There have been so many U-turns and "properly conducted drug trials" which haven't been "properly conducted" and statistics about health that have been found to be either discredited or at a later date refuted and i understand your sceptisim.

in the 60's and 70's top clinicians and scientists were "head hunted " from the UK, their pay doubled and all the facilities given that were in short supply in the UK. I don't know if that still exists.

hc4361's post says it all, but remember that in the UK one has that notion of healthcare is free.....it is a right ....and how dare people who work in charities expect to be paid.

\\\\\\What no one has mentioned is that there is no such thing as "cancer" There are many different cancers which attack different parts of the body and as such they will have different "cures" and "treatments" \\\

True.....that is at the moment.....but what if someone found the "igniting" feature, chemical or genetic ( even in epigenes) that stimulated the formation of ALL cancerous cells. Would you let it be known universally OR would you sell it to the highest bidder??

No, I don't there that there is a scam by the ICR (but what do i know.)

I feel that many of your posts were hard on phil.

[237SJ]

I`ve heard that comment many times. Not of Cancer Research though. Just that a cure has been found but it`s been kept quiet. I was even told so (just his opinion) by one of the chemo nurses that used to look after my Mum. I don`t believe it though. There are plenty of other diseases/conditions to keep making the big drugs companies money. I got into conversation at work with someone from one of those companies and told him of that rumour. He said it was not true (well, he would) but I think he`s right.

[Sqad]

237

\\\There are plenty of other diseases/conditions to keep making the big drugs companies money.\\\

Sure, but cure for cancer would be the "biggy."

But I agree with your post.

[Mamyalynne]

The first time I heard a similar 'rumour', it was about the common cold.

[beso]

So it is OK to pay researchers but not the staff who contribute in other ways? Or do you want the researchers to work for nothing too?

Sounds like a pathetic argument put up by a stingy barsteward that wants to settle their conscience over the fact that they contribute absolutely nothing to charities.

[237SJ]

Sqad - yes it would be the biggy. But if they cured it, people would live longer so there would be other conditions that set in (dementia etc) that need to be cured. I think, like you, that when they cure cancer it will be one single thing that they discover. The trigger, a protein that is released or something and there will be one cure for it. I think it will be like when they found that anti-biotics killed bacteria. All of these treatments, chemo, radiotherapy, immunotherapy can be effective but they are not the cure. The guy from the drugs company said that they aim to bring out 6 new drugs per year (not necessarily for cancer) and they spend years developing them, testing them etc only for the FDA to refuse them a licence. Maybe that is why drugs are so expensive, because they are subsidising all of the drugs that didn`t make it onto the market.

[Sqad]

237...Exactly.

[philkool]

So i gather that treatment earns millions for the drug companies but a cure whether or not there has been one found for all diseases would put them out of business

[jennyjoan]

I echo Murraymints' sentiments. Last year my young nephew and his wife ran a massive ball in the city hall - he was responsible along with other helpers regarding the money. The tickets were expensive so they lifted a lot of money - This was for Action Cancer - £3,000 has gone missing - he went to the people involved about 6 times and never found the money. He said he would never work for Action Cancer ever again.

My sister has said the same - millions if not billions surely by now has been donated so other charities should now start benefiting. Starting with Alzheimers - apparently there should be a cure in some time (don't know when) but if money poured in there that should help. Also MS and various other charities. Everytime I go out it is all about cancer. My heart goes to all those cancer victims and pray it never comes to my door. xxxxx

[murraymints]

I can only report what my sis said..she eventually left as their lab was kept so short of necessary equipment for her and colleagues to do effective research...and also scientists specialised in some fields..but plenty of pen pushers and grand fund raising balls !