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Could There Be A Return To Terror In Ireland?
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A bomb set off in Derry last night has raised fears that a hard Brexit could see an increase in dissident terror. The New IRA is believed to be responsible.
Garda and PSNI have both expressed concern that in the event of a hard border after Brexit, there could be a new surge of violence from dissidents:
//Several key figures in the dissident groups are due for release from prison in the coming months and they are expected to influence a re-organisation as they focus on the fall-out from Brexit.
A hard Border could potentially open up opportunities for them to recruit members and fundraise through smuggling and other criminal activities.
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The New IRA, formed in 2012, poses the biggest threat from dissident republicans since the Provisional IRA, according to an assessment by the head of the Garda intelligence and security section, Assistant Commissioner Michael O'Sullivan. That assessment is shared by the PSNI, which is also seriously concerned about the impact of a hard Brexit.//
A bomb set off in Derry last night has raised fears that a hard Brexit could see an increase in dissident terror. The New IRA is believed to be responsible.
Garda and PSNI have both expressed concern that in the event of a hard border after Brexit, there could be a new surge of violence from dissidents:
//Several key figures in the dissident groups are due for release from prison in the coming months and they are expected to influence a re-organisation as they focus on the fall-out from Brexit.
A hard Border could potentially open up opportunities for them to recruit members and fundraise through smuggling and other criminal activities.
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The New IRA, formed in 2012, poses the biggest threat from dissident republicans since the Provisional IRA, according to an assessment by the head of the Garda intelligence and security section, Assistant Commissioner Michael O'Sullivan. That assessment is shared by the PSNI, which is also seriously concerned about the impact of a hard Brexit.//
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It is pretty chaotic
the last thing anyone wants is a return to Terror
but it is a different landscape - everyone has cameras.....
whereas in the seventies the telly-helly was SOOOO expensive to fly they put in a low def telly camera - - - excuse me what did you just write?
the seventies telly helly pictures were low def and unusable
the last thing anyone wants is a return to Terror
but it is a different landscape - everyone has cameras.....
whereas in the seventies the telly-helly was SOOOO expensive to fly they put in a low def telly camera - - - excuse me what did you just write?
the seventies telly helly pictures were low def and unusable
No there couldn’t. Much as I oppose a hard border in Ireland I don’t see the connection between that and a return to violence. The Troubles were born out of a situation in N Ireland where was great injustice and no government by consensus. That situation no longer exists.
And as I must keep saying until I’m blue in the face we HAD a hard border in Ireland before which was mainly good for turning the A1 into a lorry park and both helping and hindering terrorism. It was largely irrelevant to the violence that was occurring.
Sadly there will probably always be groups like the New IRA who’ve been around for several years and they’ll take any opportunity to do their worst.
And as I must keep saying until I’m blue in the face we HAD a hard border in Ireland before which was mainly good for turning the A1 into a lorry park and both helping and hindering terrorism. It was largely irrelevant to the violence that was occurring.
Sadly there will probably always be groups like the New IRA who’ve been around for several years and they’ll take any opportunity to do their worst.
"The Troubles were born out of a situation in N Ireland where was great injustice and no government by consensus. That situation no longer exists."
Indeed not. And neither does the government (it was dissolved in January 2017). Yest its members are still be paid almost £36k for an assembly that does not assemble:
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Yet the wishes of the 1.8m people that this non-assembly represents are the principle cause (so we are told) of the Brexit blockage.
Indeed not. And neither does the government (it was dissolved in January 2017). Yest its members are still be paid almost £36k for an assembly that does not assemble:
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Yet the wishes of the 1.8m people that this non-assembly represents are the principle cause (so we are told) of the Brexit blockage.
Interesting just how quickly arrest have been made - and without any backlash from dissident fellow travellers.
That implies that the perpetrators may have been under surveillance (hence the move to clear the area before any warning call), and certainly that the Nationalist Community is no longer a safe haven for terrorists - I wonder if the bombers were actually 'dobbed in' by people with too much to lose from a resumption of violence?
That implies that the perpetrators may have been under surveillance (hence the move to clear the area before any warning call), and certainly that the Nationalist Community is no longer a safe haven for terrorists - I wonder if the bombers were actually 'dobbed in' by people with too much to lose from a resumption of violence?
There can always be a return to terror anywhere anytime as long as violent feeble excuses for human beings exist in this world. Using Brexit as an excuse for violence, in order to prevent our nation having control of itself, is inexcusable and unforgivable. And suggesting, or asking if, it may be responsible for such acts is hardly better.
N.I. has been nothing but trouble for a hundred years More than 3,500 people were killed during the 'troubles' alone, (of whom 52% were civilians, 32% were members of the British security forces, and 16% were members of paramilitary groups.) Wiki.
This proportionately to the population is more than were killed in the London blitz.
It would be better for all concerned if they amalgamated with the South (IMO)
This proportionately to the population is more than were killed in the London blitz.
It would be better for all concerned if they amalgamated with the South (IMO)
New Judge I can’t be sure but I suspect that were you to put the PM’s deal to the people of N Ireland they would vote for it and if that was the only thing holding Brexit back it would be problem solved.
I agree with you about the Assembly. Listening to Arlene and Michelle is like listening to two *** sisters who’ve fallen out. However the frustrating thing is we just vote the same darned people back every time! That’s why the Secretary of State doesn’t call for a new election, tho no one likes to say so.
I agree with you about the Assembly. Listening to Arlene and Michelle is like listening to two *** sisters who’ve fallen out. However the frustrating thing is we just vote the same darned people back every time! That’s why the Secretary of State doesn’t call for a new election, tho no one likes to say so.
"New Judge I can’t be sure but I suspect that were you to put the PM’s deal to the people of N Ireland they would vote for it..."
I can't be sure either, Ikky, but I'd be very surprised if they did. I cannot imagine the people of, say, Liverpool or Weston-Super-Mare voting in favour of being treated differently to the rest of the UK, having to comply with EU legislation that the rest of the country can ignore. Nor for that matter can I imagine the rest of the UK being too pleased when they are asked to complete a customs declaration when they send goods to Belfast.
As for the backstop being the only problem with Mrs May's proposed deal, it very clearly isn't. I've read about half of the 568 pages and there are passages within it that no UK government should agree to.
I can't be sure either, Ikky, but I'd be very surprised if they did. I cannot imagine the people of, say, Liverpool or Weston-Super-Mare voting in favour of being treated differently to the rest of the UK, having to comply with EU legislation that the rest of the country can ignore. Nor for that matter can I imagine the rest of the UK being too pleased when they are asked to complete a customs declaration when they send goods to Belfast.
As for the backstop being the only problem with Mrs May's proposed deal, it very clearly isn't. I've read about half of the 568 pages and there are passages within it that no UK government should agree to.
Yes Ikky, I know you did.
My point is that under this so-called agreement the people of NI will be expected to abide by a completely different regime to the rest of the UK. You suspect they might be happy with that. My comparison with other parts of the UK was simply to demonstrate why I think they may not be. I don't think it's just the DUP that has these objections. If I was told the area I lived in was to be treated differently to the rest of the UK in order to secure Brexit I'd be a bit peeved. Mrs May, however, seems to view it as acceptable collateral damage.
My point is that under this so-called agreement the people of NI will be expected to abide by a completely different regime to the rest of the UK. You suspect they might be happy with that. My comparison with other parts of the UK was simply to demonstrate why I think they may not be. I don't think it's just the DUP that has these objections. If I was told the area I lived in was to be treated differently to the rest of the UK in order to secure Brexit I'd be a bit peeved. Mrs May, however, seems to view it as acceptable collateral damage.
The DUP (who seen quite happy to be different from GB in other ways) have I believe said they might be happy with a permanent customs union with the EU, tho that seems to be a dead duck at the moment.
Most people in N Ireland associate a hard border more than a “backstop” with future political uncertainty.
Most people in N Ireland associate a hard border more than a “backstop” with future political uncertainty.
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