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Didn't watch last night, piggy - don't watch friendlies - but have watched a lot of football over the last couple of weeks. And in almost each one, there has been a smattering of jeers and booing which, thankfully, has largely gone unreported. I say thankfully because the more it is reported on, the more it will happen. Jeering or booing is much louder than applause and it can sometimes appear that it is coming from large sections of the crowd when, in truth, it is merely a very small portion of the attendees.
As to your question, "Should they have?"; they are as within their rights to express their opinion on players taking the knee, as are the players by taking the knee.
As to your question, "Should they have?"; they are as within their rights to express their opinion on players taking the knee, as are the players by taking the knee.
Can't agree with that, Ken. I think the kneelers are delighted with the booing. The more the better. It helps to demonstrate their view that (nearly) everyone is racist.
Personally, I think their cause would be better supported if all the players stood in a circle with arms on their neighbours shoulders.
Personally, I think their cause would be better supported if all the players stood in a circle with arms on their neighbours shoulders.
// I'm sure the words "virtue" and "signalling" will appear on this thread pretty soon),//
like ze leedol Mozar and a loud noise ( he would flinch)
does anyone gloop when they see the above
because - virtuous and signalling have occurred in the post
and anyway can you have virtue signalling if one is ridiculing the sick and starving children of Mali?
It is a bit like hedwig ( that would be Harry potters owl) - wivva sign around her neck - you will see an owl soon ....
never mind - have you heard Marcus Rashford - he sounds as tho he has more than a few O levels - compared to Rooney or the Nevilkle Bros
like ze leedol Mozar and a loud noise ( he would flinch)
does anyone gloop when they see the above
because - virtuous and signalling have occurred in the post
and anyway can you have virtue signalling if one is ridiculing the sick and starving children of Mali?
It is a bit like hedwig ( that would be Harry potters owl) - wivva sign around her neck - you will see an owl soon ....
never mind - have you heard Marcus Rashford - he sounds as tho he has more than a few O levels - compared to Rooney or the Nevilkle Bros
For me, the problem with booing about 'taking the knee' is the same as the action itself.
Both are being misinterpreted by interested parties.
There is a large amount of suspicion about BLM and its actual motives, and this may well be the root of the hostility that their signal gesture is creating from fans.
This means that when fans boo, they are not booing the gesture, of the footballers' genuine intention to side against racism, rather than they boo the organisation, which they don;t trust to be real and to genuinely promote the causes it claims to be founded on.
That's the problem with universal gestures, be they kneeling or booing, they look simple to the point of only possibly having one motivation - but in fact, both of them are more complex than that.
Both are being misinterpreted by interested parties.
There is a large amount of suspicion about BLM and its actual motives, and this may well be the root of the hostility that their signal gesture is creating from fans.
This means that when fans boo, they are not booing the gesture, of the footballers' genuine intention to side against racism, rather than they boo the organisation, which they don;t trust to be real and to genuinely promote the causes it claims to be founded on.
That's the problem with universal gestures, be they kneeling or booing, they look simple to the point of only possibly having one motivation - but in fact, both of them are more complex than that.
ich - // The booing is a terrible reflection on some football fans IMO. //
Why?
Football fans lead with their emotions and demonstrate them without a moment's thought - it's part of the pleasure of football.
Booing has always been an integral part of football fans' reactions to things they don't like - be it a dodgy ref decision, a bad line call, a dive, a missed shot, or people kneeling on the pitch.
It's what they do.
Why?
Football fans lead with their emotions and demonstrate them without a moment's thought - it's part of the pleasure of football.
Booing has always been an integral part of football fans' reactions to things they don't like - be it a dodgy ref decision, a bad line call, a dive, a missed shot, or people kneeling on the pitch.
It's what they do.
If you cannot see why booing a three second gesture in support of tolerance is something to be ashamed of then I can’t help you there.
The trouble is, when gestures are accused of being political then they become political almost by default (there’s the current controversy over the Ukraine football shirt for example, or indeed the England poppy controversy longer ago where the protests said more about the objectors) It’s a very sad reflection. But the idea that this is a thumbs up for left wing politics or Marxism is ridiculous.
The trouble is, when gestures are accused of being political then they become political almost by default (there’s the current controversy over the Ukraine football shirt for example, or indeed the England poppy controversy longer ago where the protests said more about the objectors) It’s a very sad reflection. But the idea that this is a thumbs up for left wing politics or Marxism is ridiculous.
ich - // If you cannot see why booing a three second gesture in support of tolerance is something to be ashamed of then I can’t help you there. //
If you can't see why a crowd reaction to pointless posturing originating from a crime that happened thousands of miles away that has now been hi-jacked by a combination of self-righteousness and sinister political ingratiation, than I can't help you there either.
If you can't see why a crowd reaction to pointless posturing originating from a crime that happened thousands of miles away that has now been hi-jacked by a combination of self-righteousness and sinister political ingratiation, than I can't help you there either.
ich - // What is really shocking tho is MPs (on both sides) getting in on the act ... //
I think politicians will jump on anything that they think will show them in a good light, however bogus that pretend support may be.
And football as the 'common man's (read voter's) game is a good one to get on side with (sorry!).
When twerps like Cameron try to pretend they enjoy football it's only going to end one way, but it doesn't stop the stuffed shsirts periodically pretending to have even a vague notion of what goes on that doesn't involve dinner parties and weekends in the country
I think politicians will jump on anything that they think will show them in a good light, however bogus that pretend support may be.
And football as the 'common man's (read voter's) game is a good one to get on side with (sorry!).
When twerps like Cameron try to pretend they enjoy football it's only going to end one way, but it doesn't stop the stuffed shsirts periodically pretending to have even a vague notion of what goes on that doesn't involve dinner parties and weekends in the country
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