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have saved the various links into favourites and will certainly see who comes up cheapest. I was told by two well known electrical retailers, that you have to use HP cartridges, on HP printers, well Tesco ones worked ok, so thank you all, very helpful, now if you can tell me why i keep losing Internet explorer 8 that has crapped out 20 times in the last few days. I have been having a good look the diagnostic reports, oh joy, and found it has failed more often than worked, time to get on ISP, i think.