Nicholas Lyndhurst's Son Died Recently

[piggynose]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/nicholas-lyndhurst-only-fools-and-horses-actor-speaks-out-for-first-time-since-death-of-son-archie-aged-19/ar-BB19D9cV?li=AAnZ9Ug&ocid=mailsignout
Is it unusual to say death unexplained and unsuspicious?

[david small]

So sad. Something like that would break me. Condolences.

[Barsel]

This was posted last Thursday.

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/ChatterBank/Question1722611.html

[woofgang]

no, its what is usually said when someone dies unexpectedly and there is no obvious cause.

[piggynose]

Surely an autopsy should give some indication of the cause of death. Or is it being hushed up due to it being a suicide?

[Buenchico]

The deaths of Dale Winton, David Gest, George Michael and many others were also initially referred to by police as 'unexplained but unsuspicious'. It's not particularly unusual; it often seems to occur when the person was in poor health but there was no obvious reason for them to die at that time.

[Mamyalynne]

Some people will speculate but I do wish they'd do it privately and not on screen.

[piggynose]

Im sorry if i come across as insensitive. But is this enough info to put on the death cert?

[Ellipsis]

Presumably there will be an autopsy where the unexplained will become explained. My impression on reading the "short illness" was they suspected something like meningitis.

[bednobs]

sadly I am in this position now - we cannot register the death, and we are going to be unlikely to be able to until at least next year (a year at least after her death) the pathologists simply do not yet know why she suddenly and unexpectedly died. One of the scans they did to try and find out can only be interpreted by one person in the country (who of course has a huge waiting list).
I gather it's not uncommon to take so long when the death is unexpected.
I don't put this here for sympathy, but simply to answer your q - no it's not enough info for a DC

[bookbinder]

This is what The Sun of 1. October 2020 said (online):
Police and ambulance were called "to a report of a concern for welfare."
An inquest into Archie's death is due to be opened next week.

[Sqad]

bednobs is correct,

///////unexplained and unsuspicious?//// is not a valid cause of death for the purpose of a death certificate.
It usually implies that they are awaiting the results of toxicology.

[Peter Pedant]

BN - you should have been told that the form TM 1 - fact of death allows you to hold the funeral and do the estate, close the accounts and apply for probate

The new Coroners Act er 1988 allows the coroner and his underlings to fiddle for six months and then ( I think ) the dont have to do anything but they must explain.

A will is important but if there isnt one, you cant do much. With a will - the executor is the executor from the off but letters of administration you have to wait until they are granted.

we did that with a neighbour ( dead of course ) and a will. and a TM1 - Even whilst the coroner was agonising about so much codeine in him for 6 months actually. I said "we all have no idea - you know you can buy it over the counter?" and the coroner's officer surprised us all with "what ho - that is above my pay scale!"

BN you will get thro this

[Peter Pedant]

unexplained and unsuspicious?//// is not a valid cause of death for the purpose of a death certificate.

in this post Shipman era - they built all sort of lengthy checks and balances to make sure Sqad and his colleagues were nt zeroing their patients. They then turned around and said "oo look we have made queues of 300 or 400 - we will have to build more holding mortuaries!" I was whining the GP wouldnt issue the death certificate and the funeral director said "oh the registrar wouldnt have accepted it - they call go to the coroner now"....

so really it is just a form of words

[AuntPollyGrey]

His death has been explained as 'a short illness'. not unexplained nor unsuspicious.

[bednobs]

thanks PP we have that form. No estate as she was 15months old, but I did use it to close her savings account.
We can't have a funeral yet - they still have her brain, liver, ribcage and various other parts and I can't contemplate having a funeral without them. I don't think I could cope with lawful disposal of those parts, and I wouldn't want to re-open a grave to have another funeral. It is simpler and better for us to wait till all the parts have been re-united

[bednobs]

actually i'm not sure it's that exact form but it's like a DC lite - it states she died and it's still being investigated

[grumpy01]

Very sad as he was their only child.