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ichkeria, // You should ask what sort of world would Putin be happy with and what sort of one would Trump be happy with.//
Perhaps you should ask yourself that. I’m guessing that since they would both prefer a world without IS and the rest of the jihadist groups, they can find at least some common ground, and I sincerely hope they do.
Perhaps you should ask yourself that. I’m guessing that since they would both prefer a world without IS and the rest of the jihadist groups, they can find at least some common ground, and I sincerely hope they do.
Is that all that counts?
And does Putin REALLY want a world without jihadists and IS?
If he does he is going about it in a strange way ...
What Putin seems to want to do is divide Europe and set the US and Europe against each other. A Trump presidency would seem to offer him that chance.
For the first time in living memory we have a British government seriously concerned that shortly US and British (never mind European) foreign policy may be seriously at odds. Which by the way is one good reason why the last thing we need is someone like Farage sniffing around Trump Towers claiming to represent the UK.
And does Putin REALLY want a world without jihadists and IS?
If he does he is going about it in a strange way ...
What Putin seems to want to do is divide Europe and set the US and Europe against each other. A Trump presidency would seem to offer him that chance.
For the first time in living memory we have a British government seriously concerned that shortly US and British (never mind European) foreign policy may be seriously at odds. Which by the way is one good reason why the last thing we need is someone like Farage sniffing around Trump Towers claiming to represent the UK.
I'm not sure that ring against IS and jihadis alone forms much of a basis for optimism: there already is a war against them going on, one which Putin claimed to want to help with, it whose help has yet to materialise. I'm not aware, for example, that there is any Russian input whatever into the force being assembled to retake Raqqa.
Russia presents zero threat to the US: it is a long way away (Ok there's the Bering Strait) its armed forces are way inferior and I am not aware that there is any remote desire to nuke the yanks :-)
Russia is also a minor threat to Western Europe as long as we can count on the US as an ally. Of course Trump is dead right to complain that Europe should spend more on defence, but the worry is that he will take it further than that. In short, I could trust Trump given the chance, but no way would I trust his opposite number. We need to wake up to the idea that Russia could become serious threat to our security and way of life. I know 'liberal' is not flavour of the month around here but believe me it has a lot going for it.
Who wants to return to the Cold War? Why Russia of course. Two big empires carving the world up between them. That's why I hope wise counsels prevail in Eashington.
Russia presents zero threat to the US: it is a long way away (Ok there's the Bering Strait) its armed forces are way inferior and I am not aware that there is any remote desire to nuke the yanks :-)
Russia is also a minor threat to Western Europe as long as we can count on the US as an ally. Of course Trump is dead right to complain that Europe should spend more on defence, but the worry is that he will take it further than that. In short, I could trust Trump given the chance, but no way would I trust his opposite number. We need to wake up to the idea that Russia could become serious threat to our security and way of life. I know 'liberal' is not flavour of the month around here but believe me it has a lot going for it.
Who wants to return to the Cold War? Why Russia of course. Two big empires carving the world up between them. That's why I hope wise counsels prevail in Eashington.
ichkeria, //We need to wake up to the idea that Russia could become serious threat to our security and way of life.//
If that’s true, what are we going to do about it? Talks between the leaders of the two most powerful nations on earth can surely only be a good thing. It has to beat the alternative.
If that’s true, what are we going to do about it? Talks between the leaders of the two most powerful nations on earth can surely only be a good thing. It has to beat the alternative.
Not sure what you mean by 'the alternative' other than simply 'not having a meeting'
Plainly it's a very good thing for Trump and Putin to meet. It's a given that they would meet at some point and a fresh administration always gives the chance for fresh ideas etc
Another question might be: 'how did things get to this pass'
When one starts looking st things a little closer that's when the doubts creep in.
Any pact or agreement is not necessarily better than none, as 1938 and Munich might remind us
Plainly it's a very good thing for Trump and Putin to meet. It's a given that they would meet at some point and a fresh administration always gives the chance for fresh ideas etc
Another question might be: 'how did things get to this pass'
When one starts looking st things a little closer that's when the doubts creep in.
Any pact or agreement is not necessarily better than none, as 1938 and Munich might remind us
Here you are, there are plenty more if you dislike the DM.
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Oh come off it ymb you can surely do better than that: 'Kremlin says, 2 days after the election, that a vote for Clinton would have been a vote for armageddon'
I thought you meant Putin had threatened to wage some sort of war on the west. I mean, I know there's Dmitry Kiselov, the Kremlin's TV anchor man, who keeps saying Russia could and would nuke the US blah blah blah but I was not regarding that as anything other crude propaganda. A bit like ...
I thought you meant Putin had threatened to wage some sort of war on the west. I mean, I know there's Dmitry Kiselov, the Kremlin's TV anchor man, who keeps saying Russia could and would nuke the US blah blah blah but I was not regarding that as anything other crude propaganda. A bit like ...
That article might well have been dictated by the Kremlin actually, reading it in full: 'war has been avoided' a Kremlin official 'REVEALED''.(!)
And no attempt to analyse the reasons for the deterioration in relations. All the war mongering west's fault. The depressing thing is millions of Brits may read that and be taken in by it. The Russians are wasting their money on RT :-)
And no attempt to analyse the reasons for the deterioration in relations. All the war mongering west's fault. The depressing thing is millions of Brits may read that and be taken in by it. The Russians are wasting their money on RT :-)
ichkeria. // Any pact or agreement is not necessarily better than none, as 1938 and Munich might remind us //
That's scaremongering. I know you don't like Putin and Russia and you've already said you hope that a meeting between the two doesn't usher in a new era of constructive co-operation - but really!!
That's scaremongering. I know you don't like Putin and Russia and you've already said you hope that a meeting between the two doesn't usher in a new era of constructive co-operation - but really!!
I don't like Putin because I know what he is. I don't say the things I do because I don't like him. I don't like him because of what he is!
Russia as a matter of fact is a potentially great country with many lovely people but at the moment one cannot differentiate, for the purposes of these exchanges, between the man and the monster he's helped to create.
I have been at pains to point out that I am very much in favour of constructive talks and a positive future. But the reason things have gone wrong from the Obama 'reset' is for a variety of reasons largely if it not exclusively the fault of the Kremlin. The country is run by criminals, and I retain enough optimism and naivety to believe that unspeakable as he may seem to many of us at the moment, Trump's view of Russia is hopelessly misguided and cannot survive the real world experience, as I said much earlier.
But the worry is that the US might look no further than its own borders, conclude that Putin is no threat to it,(which it surely isn't) and disregard everyone else
Russia as a matter of fact is a potentially great country with many lovely people but at the moment one cannot differentiate, for the purposes of these exchanges, between the man and the monster he's helped to create.
I have been at pains to point out that I am very much in favour of constructive talks and a positive future. But the reason things have gone wrong from the Obama 'reset' is for a variety of reasons largely if it not exclusively the fault of the Kremlin. The country is run by criminals, and I retain enough optimism and naivety to believe that unspeakable as he may seem to many of us at the moment, Trump's view of Russia is hopelessly misguided and cannot survive the real world experience, as I said much earlier.
But the worry is that the US might look no further than its own borders, conclude that Putin is no threat to it,(which it surely isn't) and disregard everyone else
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