3-0 - We're On A Roll, What Next?

[ToraToraTora]

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[jim360]

Incidentally, it's no better than branding an opinion unacceptable, as it is to dismiss it so disparagingly. What tablets had you in mind, for example?

It's a pretty pointless comment, and has no place in a discussion. One time, you might care to refute my points by actually making the effort to show *why* they are wrong, rather than just stating it to be so.

[naomi24]

Jim, TTT is just one man. The point is, regardless of the flavour of the current government, the rot of leftist ideas and ideology holds sway now and it set in a long time ago, the result being that everyone – including the people on the right - is obliged to walk on eggshells because much of the potty political correctness engendered by the left is now stupidly enshrined in law. You use the word ‘intolerance’, but why should people be obliged to tolerate that which they object to simply because those who shout loudest think they ought to?

[naomi24]

Jim at 19:21. I read the post you're referring to and practically lost the will to live.

[jim360]

Another massive post just got deleted. Trying to get better at being brief from time to time. I have a lot to say on this, but maybe it's better to pace myself more.

But anyway. Short version is: I agree that a part of being more willing engage is to cut down on this idea that it should be somehow illegal to cause offence as a matter of course. Referring back to the video zebo posted, if people feel freer to express their views then you'd hope that goes hand-in-hand with being more open to different opinions.

But "political correctness" is also just another term for "good manners", most of the time. People should be free to be rude, but there's too many people who are all too keen to exercise that freedom at every opportunity.

[naomi24]

Jim, sorry, you misunderstand me. My fault for failing to explain. I meant that by responding to that post I would have been in danger of repeating myself and I get fed up with that. These discussions do have a tendency to go around in circles.

On to your latest post. I'm happy to listen to other views, but I'm not happy to be told how to think and what to say. If people are offended they are at liberty to object. It shouldn't be the accepted remit of the politically correct to impose their will upon others.

[naomi24]

I'll add to that. The man in the video mentioned the gymnast who, because he made a joke about Muslims, was suspended. I think that illustrates my point perfectly.

[jim360]

I wasn't actually replying to your "lost the will to live" post, but thanks for the clarification.

In the spirit of my last post, I'll keep it short again.

"It shouldn't be the accepted remit of the politically correct to impose their will upon others."

I agree -- imposing an opinion or will, no matter how well-intentioned, is wrong.

"The man in the video mentioned the gymnast [Louis Smith] who, because he made a joke about Muslims, was suspended. I think that illustrates my point perfectly."

It might have been poor judgement to make the joke, but I also agree that he shouldn't have been suspended.

[naomi24]

Jim, //"It shouldn't be the accepted remit of the politically correct to impose their will upon others."

I agree -- imposing an opinion or will, no matter how well-intentioned, is wrong. //

Jim, You say you agree with me but I’m not so sure you do. Nevertheless, that’s what’s happening – and it’s being endorsed by the liberal left wholesale – and none of us is supposed to object. Christians are dragged through the courts because they don’t want to open their homes to gay people, or because they don’t want to put slogans that contradict their beliefs on cakes, but why should one man’s right to live his own lifestyle or follow his own beliefs override anyone else’s right to do the same? Europe is being flooded with migrants and, despite the fact that we haven’t a clue who they are, we are all supposed to welcome them with open arms as well as overlook their transgressions; companies and other organisations are obliged to make special concessions for people who follow Islam; Muslims who, en masse, block roads by deciding to pray in the street are not charged with obstruction and moved on – and God help anyone who says they should be. They’re deemed bigoted, racist, xenophobic, and Islamophobic – and in the case of Louis Smith, punished for making a joke that you say was in ‘poor judgement’. That just about sums it up. ‘Poor judgement’ means he shouldn’t have joked. That is the rot that has set in – and that is what people are now kicking against. Take a look at the video Ludwig posted at 09:02 Wed here:

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1523276-2.html

[jim360]

There's a whole world of difference between criticising someone's judgement and penalising them for it.

[naomi24]

Jim, but nevertheless you and others judge him for something as banal as making a joke. That's precisely why the rest of us walk on eggshells.